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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by romafirst3 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #57
romafirst3 wrote: post #10

While this does indeed sound like a problem for Sweden and something they will have to fix, it's worth pointing out that by my calculation the US fatal assault by fire arm rate is 12X the rate that is causing a crisis in Sweden.

What does the US have to do with the article? Why is it a relevant country for comparison?

It's relevant for a sense of perspective for the majority of people who are reading this page (because they come from the US).

People quote articles like this in the US to pretend that the EU is suffering from some dystopian crime wave but (from the perspective of the US) the opposite is true.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by ecmascript »

woodruffw wrote: post #64
whearyou wrote: post #27

I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

There is no country that compares to sweden if you compare the numbers by capita.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by mongol »

mrkeen wrote: post #4

The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

Good for you. I worry however. Not exactly for my own safety, but for where this is leading. It can become much worse if this trend is not forcefully dealt with.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by egeozcan »

tsss wrote: post #67
lm28469 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. That's also the life of millions in Ukraine right now so your anecdote doesn't mean much Looking at the statistics and historical trends paint another picture, of course this isn't El Salvador, but it doesn't mean it's going in the right direction

Then maybe it's time for the thousands of Ukrainian refugees to go home already?

If they already started a new life, aren't they already home?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by Levitz »

mrkeen wrote: post #4

The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

>Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

While I do think problems are way overblown, I don't know if you realize, these issues take generations to fix. If there is one legitimate scary bit about immigration is that it has VERY long-reaching consequences. You can deport someone who just got there, you can't deport someone's grandkid, he has nowhere to return to.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by inglor_cz »

romafirst3 wrote: post #66
inglor_cz wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Sweden, the big problem are grenades smuggled in vast quantities from the Balkans. Explosions tend to be vastly less precise than shootings and unintended victims are more of a rule than an exception.

Seems there have been 77 grenade explosions resulting in 9 fatalities in 6 years with grenades in Sweden. That doesn't seem like "vast quantities".

OK, add improvised explosive devices to the mix. Some of those are remade from grenades.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/31/bomb-experts-c...

Czechia has the same population as Sweden. Such series of intentional explosions would be considered insane here.

Trends matter, too. Sweden used to be known as the country where people don't lock their doors. Very high trust societies are rare and their demise due to rising crime is harmful to entire humanity.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by fintechie »

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt...

Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by ecmascript »

occz wrote: post #52
Throwfi44 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to stay there for a month, in shady part of town! Current goverment is at least trying to police those places!

I've lived several months in an area considered to be one of the worst in Sweden, zero problems whatsoever. The standard for bad in Sweden is just pretty damn high.

What area exactly? I honestly as a swede do not believe you.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by alephnerd »

romafirst3 wrote: post #34
mrkeen wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I moved - sorry, immigrated - to Stockholm end of 2016. At that time the sensationalist media was reporting on 'no-go zones' - parts of town that even the police were too afraid to go to. One night I was sitting on the subway when a guy came and sat down opposite a girl, and started telling her he was gonna go check out one of these 'no-go zones'. His destination was östermalm.

Sounds like an awful place. From wikipedia. "Elegant Östermalm is known for its smart bars and restaurants on Stureplan square, and its cultural venues, such as the Swedish History Museum, displaying Viking weapons. Designer boutiques dot the area near Östermalms Saluhall, a food market known for traditional specialties like gravlax and smoked shrimp. Centered on the imposing National Library of Sweden, tranquil Huml…

You can do the same for anywhere. For example Tenderloin:

"Tenderloin in San Francisco is known for its cultural diversity - home to micro-neighborhoods representing the Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Pakistani, Central Asian, and Yemeni communities. There is a bustling cultural scene with numerous live jazz bars, theaters where bands like The Rolling Stones and Beatles have headlined, and museums highlighting the historical numerous LGBT+ community".

That said, Östermalm didn't feel bad when I visited. I think op is confusing Östermalm and Östberga.

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