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Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by Ekaros »

bandrami wrote: post #37
eastbound wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It never really swings back the other way. It slows down adoption but we’ll never see large back-in-house IT projects. Because in-house offerings (and open-source) aren’t up to the task anymore.

In-house IT isn't up to the task of building systems that are infinitely scalable but as the price goes up lots and lots of shops are going to realize they don't need infinitely scalable, they need the scale they're at and have no reason to want to grow it. In-house IT is great at that.

And what is the ratio of services that need to scale infinitely to those that do not? At least if you are for example in more traditional internal software development?

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Post by aledalgrande »

latchkey wrote: post #88
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #72

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Yes. Still a great tool for small dev shops

Why would you pick a proprietary solution for a small dev shop?

Why would I care about proprietary/opensource if it's affordable and saves time as a small dev shop? I just wanna ship and the company might be dead before any of this matters.

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Post by latchkey »

glenngillen wrote: post #117
latchkey wrote: post #112

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> Less people available to own self-hosted solutions. There are other ways that are not proprietary and don't require self-hosting. > Proprietary also can mean a well-funded product with money allocated to DevEx and ease-of-use. How did that work out for Heroku?

I wouldn’t lay blame for Heroku’s financial problems at the feet of architecture choices it made customers adopt. Also, Heroku’s buildpacks were anything but proprietary. They’ve been adopted by a bunch of other products.

What financial problems? They were bought out by another company and tanked. This is the exact reasons why you don't want to tie yourself to proprietary solutions.

Sure, the concept of buildpacks were copied to other platforms (I personally worked on building one of those platforms, Cloud Foundry), but they were a proprietary solution that others adopted for ease of transition off of Heroku, not because it was some great solution to IaC.

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

latchkey wrote: post #112
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #96

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Less people available to own self-hosted solutions. Proprietary also can mean a well-funded product with money allocated to DevEx and ease-of-use.

> Less people available to own self-hosted solutions. There are other ways that are not proprietary and don't require self-hosting. > Proprietary also can mean a well-funded product with money allocated to DevEx and ease-of-use. How did that work out for Heroku?

This is a bizarrely combative way to discuss this. Can you please instead tell me what you think I should be doing?

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

tedivm wrote: post #68
devonbleak wrote: post #66

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A superset of Terraform 1.5. Terraform 1.6 has features that OpenTofu does not have.

No, it's a superset of Terraform. The developers of OpenTofu have been adding every new feature in, and are committing to version parity. They've already got the new testing framework built out for example, as well as the changes to the S3 backend.

Is there any source to this? I have heard lot of conflicting things just like in this thread.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by tedivm »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #125
tedivm wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's a superset of Terraform. The developers of OpenTofu have been adding every new feature in, and are committing to version parity. They've already got the new testing framework built out for example, as well as the changes to the S3 backend.

Is there any source to this? I have heard lot of conflicting things just like in this thread.

https://github.com/opentofu/opentofu/blob/b8e2fad8e24cdd98c5...

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Post by stefan_ »

lamontcg wrote: post #90
danw1979 wrote: post #25

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That is not too unusual for software companies on IPO, lots of them paying $5 to acquire $1 in revenue. I think the common justification is that new customers will stick around for years.

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Post by ChuckMcM »

mysterypie wrote: post #103
ChuckMcM wrote: post #92

Fun read, but sad in a way. The infrastructure and people that 'back end' your organization have value. This is intuitively true, but for the folks who are customer facing (and often senior management) there is often a minimization of that value. Open source really cut the cost of that back end, and reinforced the uninformed opinion that this stuff wasn't worth all that much. Once you're tied to a platform, because i…

> I'm not a fan of AI generated illustrations Why not? I thought that the illustrations fit the article better than the bland and irrelevant stock photos people usually use. As an aside: I figure that in about 3-4 years, no one will be able to assert that they do or don’t like AI generated art because there won’t be any way to know if it’s man made, machine made, or reality.

I'm going to disagree, it will be trivial in 3-4 years to recognize that no one blogging is going to make enough money from blogging to pay a human artist to do illustrations. :-)

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Post by paholg »

flumpcakes wrote: post #64
paholg wrote: post #44

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At a prior company, we had a terraform slack channel, where people would post lock and unlock emojis and apply terraform manually. Obviously, it's not a perfect system, and it doesn't indefinitely scale, but it worked well enough.

How does this work? I thought the terraform state file was the single source of truth - if people are applying terraform 'manually' I assume that means on their local device? Are people sharing around the state file but don't have a central location for a lock file? Apologises if this seems obvious...

As others said, we checked the state file into git. It was up to you to ensure you pulled after taking a lock.
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