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Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by eastbound »

api wrote: post #4

ZIRP is over and SaaS is entrenched. Prepare for a LOT more rug pulling and price gouging. The labor and capital cost savings for moving to the cloud and SaaS were to get you there and get you dependent. Now that you don’t have in house IT anymore it’s time to turn the screws. You will soon be paying 2-3X what self hosted internal IT cost. The the pendulum will start to swing the other way. This is one of those endle…

It never really swings back the other way. It slows down adoption but we’ll never see large back-in-house IT projects. Because in-house offerings (and open-source) aren’t up to the task anymore.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

#12

Post by candiddevmike »

mathverse wrote: post #9
saberience wrote: post #6

Terraform Cloud costs are an absolute joke. I was actually the decision maker a couple of years ago when we chose our IAC stack and decided not to go with Terraform Cloud despite thinking the product is strong, and it was entirely due to the business model and cost. For us (and I'm guessing for many VC funded companies), SAAS managed IAC is a nice to have, but certainly not a MUST-have and certainly not something in…

I think Terraform Cloud (and most Hashi's enterprise offerings) aim at absolutel behemoths of deployments with many, many infra teams where the complexity comes from scale and the companies are not Google or Facebook and therefore this problem can't be solved through talent. For many such enterprises it's easier to throw money at the problem.

Then they should price them with smaller margins and make it up with volume.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by candiddevmike »

_joel wrote: post #8
jakozaur wrote: post #5

Hashicorp is one of the extreme examples. Terraform Cloud is an okay product at best, which went from expensive to very expensive. Moreover, they aggressively changed the Terraform license from open-source to BSL. So after the whole community contributed a lot of providers, they want to profit from that. You should use OpenTofu and buy IAC from one of the companies sponsoring full-time engineers on that project: Spac…

I would use opentofu but still waiting on cdktf https://github.com/opentofu/manifesto/issues/58

Why not use the HashiCorp one? It's still MPL and should remain compatible with OpenTofu...

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by candiddevmike »

eastbound wrote: post #11
api wrote: post #4

ZIRP is over and SaaS is entrenched. Prepare for a LOT more rug pulling and price gouging. The labor and capital cost savings for moving to the cloud and SaaS were to get you there and get you dependent. Now that you don’t have in house IT anymore it’s time to turn the screws. You will soon be paying 2-3X what self hosted internal IT cost. The the pendulum will start to swing the other way. This is one of those endle…

It never really swings back the other way. It slows down adoption but we’ll never see large back-in-house IT projects. Because in-house offerings (and open-source) aren’t up to the task anymore.

GPU and data storage costs are driving folks back on premise, maybe not to the same scale as before yet, but when you already need a colo for these services... Might as well bring back compute too.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

saberience wrote: post #6

Terraform Cloud costs are an absolute joke. I was actually the decision maker a couple of years ago when we chose our IAC stack and decided not to go with Terraform Cloud despite thinking the product is strong, and it was entirely due to the business model and cost. For us (and I'm guessing for many VC funded companies), SAAS managed IAC is a nice to have, but certainly not a MUST-have and certainly not something in…

I personally like what render.com is doing with IaC through their blueprints format. It's definitely a kid's toy version of IaC, but it's a really nice step up from Heroku.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by jen20 »

foolfoolz wrote: post #3

they are copying the pulumi pricing which is insanely expensive as well. i don’t blame these companies for trying to make money but it’s one thing to codify the infrastructure. it’s another thing to pay for infrastructure as a service (on top of your iaas cloud) i think there’s only 2 paths forward: host your own (short term) and cloud providers will offer this for free / lower cost (long term) i think google and aws…

Just as a quick fact check there: Pulumi may have a similar pricing model, but if you're claiming that means HashiCorp copied the Pulumi pricing model, then you must also conclude that Pulumi copied the original HashiCorp pricing model.

Resource-based pricing was the original pricing model for what is now Terraform Cloud (Atlas as-was).

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by turminal »

eastbound wrote: post #11
api wrote: post #4

ZIRP is over and SaaS is entrenched. Prepare for a LOT more rug pulling and price gouging. The labor and capital cost savings for moving to the cloud and SaaS were to get you there and get you dependent. Now that you don’t have in house IT anymore it’s time to turn the screws. You will soon be paying 2-3X what self hosted internal IT cost. The the pendulum will start to swing the other way. This is one of those endle…

It never really swings back the other way. It slows down adoption but we’ll never see large back-in-house IT projects. Because in-house offerings (and open-source) aren’t up to the task anymore.

The "task" changes from time to time as well. Creating crazy new things, then figuring out they're too complex and then reinventing them simpler is another endless cycle, much older than software development itself.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by ghaff »

candiddevmike wrote: post #12
mathverse wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Terraform Cloud (and most Hashi's enterprise offerings) aim at absolutel behemoths of deployments with many, many infra teams where the complexity comes from scale and the companies are not Google or Facebook and therefore this problem can't be solved through talent. For many such enterprises it's easier to throw money at the problem.

Then they should price them with smaller margins and make it up with volume.

Although it's certainly not always the right strategy, it's certainly a valid strategy to serve a smaller number of relatively price-insensitive customers (and provide them with ancillary services/high-touch sales/etc. that they want). The fact that you may not personally be on the market for that sort of thing doesn't mean there isn't a market.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by addicted »

eastbound wrote: post #11
api wrote: post #4

ZIRP is over and SaaS is entrenched. Prepare for a LOT more rug pulling and price gouging. The labor and capital cost savings for moving to the cloud and SaaS were to get you there and get you dependent. Now that you don’t have in house IT anymore it’s time to turn the screws. You will soon be paying 2-3X what self hosted internal IT cost. The the pendulum will start to swing the other way. This is one of those endle…

It never really swings back the other way. It slows down adoption but we’ll never see large back-in-house IT projects. Because in-house offerings (and open-source) aren’t up to the task anymore.

It’s entirely possible that in-house offerings aren’t up to the task largely because the last 15 years have seen tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars invested in the idea that SAAS is cheaper and better?

Now that the VC subsidy is over, and we’re into the gouge all those billions back from the people you’ve hooked onto your drug phase of the adoption cycle, it’s entirely possible some investors and technologists might see an opportunity in helping companies break out of that situation.

So we may actually see some investment and effort in bringing in house tech up to par.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by SteveNuts »

eastbound wrote: post #11
api wrote: post #4

ZIRP is over and SaaS is entrenched. Prepare for a LOT more rug pulling and price gouging. The labor and capital cost savings for moving to the cloud and SaaS were to get you there and get you dependent. Now that you don’t have in house IT anymore it’s time to turn the screws. You will soon be paying 2-3X what self hosted internal IT cost. The the pendulum will start to swing the other way. This is one of those endle…

It never really swings back the other way. It slows down adoption but we’ll never see large back-in-house IT projects. Because in-house offerings (and open-source) aren’t up to the task anymore.

Ahh but the big boy bare metal companies are catching up. Nutanix and the like can simplify on prem deployments and provide cloud-like experiences, though I admit nowhere nearly as polished yet.
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