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Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by cube2222 »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #81
fweimer wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all fairness, the Terraform provider registry has always been clearly proprietary, prohibiting commercial use by default: > You may download or copy the Content (and other items displayed on the Services for download) for personal non-commercial use only https://web.archive.org/web/20201106225027/https://registry....

I listened to a changelog.com podcast the other day on the subject of OpenTofu (It was a few months old so they were still calling it OpenTF). Apparently a lot of the actual images are hosted on the GitHub container registry (ghcr.io), and in many cases, the Terraform registry is just passing the request through to download an image from a repo that may be owned by someone else. So in effect, they're putting scary li…

It is, btw, why it was so easy for us to spin up a quick-and-dirty registry for our alpha release[0] that basically contains all providers and modules - almost everything is hosted on GitHub.

Right now we're working on the stable registry[1,2], and that's basically the main blocker left to a full stable release. You can track the progress in our weekly updates[3].

Note: Interim Tech Lead of the OpenTofu project

[0]: https://github.com/opentofu/registry

[1]: https://github.com/opentofu/opentofu/issues/741

[2]: https://github.com/opentofu/registry-stable

[3]: https://github.com/opentofu/opentofu/blob/main/WEEKLY_UPDATE...

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by ChuckMcM »

Fun read, but sad in a way.

The infrastructure and people that 'back end' your organization have value. This is intuitively true, but for the folks who are customer facing (and often senior management) there is often a minimization of that value.

Open source really cut the cost of that back end, and reinforced the uninformed opinion that this stuff wasn't worth all that much.

Once you're tied to a platform, because it's "cost effective", that platform can then say, "Okay, now it's time to start charging you for the real value we provide." That leaves the operations folks going to management saying "Hey our costs are going way up, kthxbye" And usually starts an uncomfortable education cycle where the real cost of running the business gets penciled out. Sometimes it kills companies.

The provider gets to set pretty much an arbitrary price on their value.

If you have followed the saga of Music you know that the "labels" who hold all the copyrights (generally) always win at keeping all the money for themselves and thus kill business after business that would help the artists. This as-a-service(AAS) companies can do the same thing. It's one of the interesting things for me about 0xide and making 'on prem' a thing again.

It feels like another shift is coming and this is a preview of what the motivations for the shift will be.

And lastly I'm not a fan of AI generated illustrations in a blog post.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by [deleted] »

wg0 wrote: post #75

These all are the symptoms but not the cause and cause IMHO are as under which is an industry wide culture (of waste, pride in that waste) and practice that is hailed and seen as the only rather best and recommended way to do things: - Investor driven companies that are waiting a 10x return on their money in 10 years at max or less. Or else. - Microservices - where every one instead of collaborating on a single monol…

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Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by Dudester230602 »

kstrauser wrote: post #76
Dudester230602 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dude probably ChatGPT-ed the entire thing. I might as well ask those tools directly.

That's quite the take. I suck at drawing but write words goodly, and can imagine using AI to make pictures to pair with the words I've hand-written.

Usually people "credit" the source model in a label underneath each image or in front of a text.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

latchkey wrote: post #88
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Still a great tool for small dev shops

Why would you pick a proprietary solution for a small dev shop?

Less people available to own self-hosted solutions.

Proprietary also can mean a well-funded product with money allocated to DevEx and ease-of-use.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by Dudester230602 »

exponentialgenx wrote: post #73
Dudester230602 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dude probably ChatGPT-ed the entire thing. I might as well ask those tools directly.

every word came from my own keyboard. It takes an hour or more to write a post and I don't have the time to hunt down the artwork - I lose enough sleep over my tech job, figured adding some fun art stuff would only be worth it if it didn't add to my stress - I do apologize if some folks are offended by using AI generated art though - I've created art myself in the past and the whole idea bugs me on a deep level, so I…

Two options are acceptable for me personally:

1) "Crediting" the source models explicitly.

2) Generating away or cleaning up afterwards: incorrect spelling, hands with unnatural fingers, non-sensical devices/symbols etc.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by aenis »

npalli wrote: post #79

The era of startups charging below fair price (to deliver the service) in pursuit of "growth" comes to an end. This was the end game for lot of these companies working in the ZIRP environment from 2009-21. Underprice your service, lock in customers to your service, hope it will be too difficult to migrate away, when dust settles jack up prices to reach fair value, of course if everything fails, sell to a large compan…

Maybe. Or maybe the price of passing the cost of internal bloat to the customer is coming to an end?

Look at their gross vs net margin. Where is the money spent? How much engineers vs. non engineers do they employ? Did they acquire naming rights to a stadium?

My company was just hit by an egregious 6.5x price increase from one of those managed open source companies. A cool $7m per year delta. We will feel sore for a year, since we were told 2 months in advance of the new pricing, and we will migrate off it easily for the demonstrable ROI. I didnt even need to ask the C suite for the migration money, they were so pissed.

Re: Terraform Cloud Pricing Changes Sticker Shock

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Post by chrisandchris »

flumpcakes wrote: post #64
paholg wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At a prior company, we had a terraform slack channel, where people would post lock and unlock emojis and apply terraform manually. Obviously, it's not a perfect system, and it doesn't indefinitely scale, but it worked well enough.

How does this work? I thought the terraform state file was the single source of truth - if people are applying terraform 'manually' I assume that means on their local device? Are people sharing around the state file but don't have a central location for a lock file? Apologises if this seems obvious...

One can just commit the lock file to Git or use any backend (like S3, HTTP, ...) to share the lock file.
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