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De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by lostmsu »

dartharva wrote: post #189
aorth wrote: post #106

Fantastic! How do we get access to this "European" version of Windows 11? Asking for Europeans who don't live in Europe, and for non-Europeans everywhere who want less Bing, Edge, and upselling in their OS.

You can still have a debloated Windows 11 setup without the bloat by just selecting "English (World)" in the localisation option during installation. Add to that the "no@thankyou.com" trick while signing in to Microsoft account and you'll have an option of a fresh, clean locally-administered install.

What's the deal with no thankyou? Are you just giving access to your machine to the owner of thankyou.com?

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by alkonaut »

eviks wrote: post #328
alkonaut wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think for app uninstallation to be relevant it's not whether the app resides on disk that's important, it's whether it's interfering with how you use the system. E.g. for a browser it's just important that the browser isn't registered as the default browser everywhere, but you can install your own browser. Being able to "uninstall" an app in a relevant way means being able to make it appear as if you don't have it.…

Can you cite your law where "legally" uninstall doesn't uninstall the app binaries???

What I’m saying is that the law here isn’t about removal but the ability to not use it (and use something else instead). It sounds extremely unlikely that legal texts would care about what particular method is used to ensure that.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by LelouBil »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #161
InCityDreams wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>News flash, outside of work and gaming, Windows isn’t needed. Sunken cost fallacy? I have some really expensive windows software that I'm not about to throw away, repurchase, as well as a new os/ machine. Windows fits my needs, though the constant telemetry fight etc is very annoying.

In the future won’t we just be able to run that software on a remote windows container?

I mean there already exists software for Linux to run windows apps using a VM but make it as if they are native

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by eviks »

alkonaut wrote: post #342
eviks wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you cite your law where "legally" uninstall doesn't uninstall the app binaries???

What I’m saying is that the law here isn’t about removal but the ability to not use it (and use something else instead). It sounds extremely unlikely that legal texts would care about what particular method is used to ensure that.

No, the law is specifically about removal:

"To enable end user choice, gatekeepers should not prevent end users from un-installing any software applications on their operating system."

And

"3. The gatekeeper shall allow and technically enable end users to easily un-install any software applications on the operating system of the gatekeeper,"

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by hddqsb »

lostmsu wrote: post #341
dartharva wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still have a debloated Windows 11 setup without the bloat by just selecting "English (World)" in the localisation option during installation. Add to that the "no@thankyou.com" trick while signing in to Microsoft account and you'll have an option of a fresh, clean locally-administered install.

What's the deal with no thankyou? Are you just giving access to your machine to the owner of thankyou.com?

A clever person got that account banned. When you try logging in with that email and a random password, it will fail, and Windows will allow you create a local account. (ref: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37179504, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33049235).

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by zbrozek »

dontlaugh wrote: post #281
vladvasiliu wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And I also hate the nonstandard keyboard layout and shortcuts. I think you may grow to like them, especially if you routinely type in languages other than your layout. For example, I use a physical QWERTY layout, but often type in French (the latter is an abomination for programming and similar). I can very easily use dead keys to create the accents. I type as quickly in French on a Mac QWERTY as I used to on a reg…

I feel the same. I like the macOS keyboard handling so much I even swap Control and Meta on Windows machines. Not the same, but a bit less annoying.

Why do you do that swap? I dislike tucking my thumb to copy and paste, but could imagine someone with different hand geometry having different preferences.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by alkonaut »

eviks wrote: post #344
alkonaut wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I’m saying is that the law here isn’t about removal but the ability to not use it (and use something else instead). It sounds extremely unlikely that legal texts would care about what particular method is used to ensure that.

No, the law is specifically about removal: "To enable end user choice, gatekeepers should not prevent end users from un-installing any software applications on their operating system." And "3. The gatekeeper shall allow and technically enable end users to easily un-install any software applications on the operating system of the gatekeeper,"

Yes, but the idea of "removal" here I'm pretty sure isn't about disk space but about competition.
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