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De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by pipeline_peak »

InCityDreams wrote: post #139
pipeline_peak wrote: post #129

Tragic, we’ve finally reached a version of Windows that’s actually really good. Yet management has somehow decided it’s more important to push this crap as if it’s still the 2000’s and we dont have viable alternatives. News flash, outside of work and gaming, Windows isn’t needed. And even those are questionable in the future of cloud. What happens when we can run photoshop in the browser using remote resources? What…

>News flash, outside of work and gaming, Windows isn’t needed. Sunken cost fallacy? I have some really expensive windows software that I'm not about to throw away, repurchase, as well as a new os/ machine. Windows fits my needs, though the constant telemetry fight etc is very annoying.

In the future won’t we just be able to run that software on a remote windows container?

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Post by 3seashells »

binkHN wrote: post #113
bee_rider wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some downsides to Linux, though. For example if you are made to use Windows at work you will feel sad, having seen what else is possible.

Fair. I still have a Windows VM that I keep around; looking forward to the day that I can delete it.

Amber OS.. Unchanging, fossilized, windows 7, without internet, one restore point..

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Post by CalRobert »

aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

I've been happily using Linux on the desktop for a decade.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by sureglymop »

handsclean wrote: post #119
zamadatix wrote: post #60

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The rules are really surprisingly encouraging about notification of cookies to the point it's quite easy to legitimately need to notify and gain consent about something non-spying related requires consent. E.g. if you have a UI customization cookie which sets the results density preference and you want to store that more than a session (i.e. it should still save for a month later) then the official EU analysis of thi…

It’s trivial to implement this in a legal and user friendly way, just make the save button make clear that it’ll persist, or even add a persistence checkbox. Demanding consent as an aggressive popup when it isn’t necessary for anything but ad tracking is not a good faith compliance effort, it’s an attempt to avoid real compliance by just having the user just sign off on whatever they were already doing.

Add the cookie popup/banner into the browser so that the user can make a choice for _all_ the websites used. But honestly, something like that is much harder to achieve with such regulations because it's kind of not the browser vendors problem. The ad network companies are parasitic in a way.

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Post by microtonal »

aorth wrote: post #106

Fantastic! How do we get access to this "European" version of Windows 11? Asking for Europeans who don't live in Europe, and for non-Europeans everywhere who want less Bing, Edge, and upselling in their OS.

I know that this is hard. But the end solution is not installing European Windows versions, but fixing government, especially curtailing lobbying, campaign funding, etc. And break the narrative 'market is everything, government is the enemy' that is so common in the US. Some regulation is good, it makes the market fairer to everyone.

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

cmcaleer wrote: post #97
zbrozek wrote: post #43

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I got my first mac through work this year and I hate the UI. It's very nice that it doesn't come with as much bloat (but it does still come it, e.g., Apple news, music, etc). I absolutely hate the window management. Inconsistent behavior on double click of the title bar (Chrome maximizes and Slack doesn't) is annoying. Lack of snapping and tiling (a la super-arrow) drives me nuts. That command-tab will switch me to a…

> I got my first mac through work this year and I hate the UI. I am baffled by whoever thought having icons leap in the toolbar as a default behaviour was an OK thing to do. Drives me crazy when I use a Mac other than mine. I have lots of little issues with the UX. Play button opening Apple Music -- ahh! Running unsigned apps is easy but I always get caught out by the right click thing. > you can install a dozen litt…

i am not a mac guy, saw a friend use m1. why does everything have to be trial/paid?

i use linux and everyone is expected to be a freeloader and yet people constantly keep on churning our good/bad software for free because its the whole idea of "you scratch my back, i will scratch yours" and "i am doing this for fun. how about you have a problem so you fix this yourself and help everyone" type camaraderie which is opposite in osx where the idea is "you are rich enough, why wont you pay"

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Post by soraminazuki »

jchw wrote: post #75
MisterSandman wrote: post #63

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> and suddenly I need to enable iTerm2 to have accessibility access? This is a strange thing to complain about, you have to do it literally once and it takes less than 5 seconds and 5 clicks. And I would rather have a nice settings panel showing what apps have access to what, rather than the mess that is Windows privacy settings.

Why is it strange to complain about randomly needing to grant applications access to apparently-unrelated permissions? This sounds exactly the same kind of weird handwaving Linux fanboys routinely get scolded for. And "It's better than Windows" doesn't make it good, but the fact is that you don't have to do this for any kind of keybinding in Windows, so it's neither here nor there.

It's strange because you have distorted the facts. iTerm doesn't "suddenly" ask for accessibility permissions. You, by your own description, have attempted to make global changes to the macOS GUI. That's a legitimate and expected situation for an accessibility permission dialog to show up.

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Post by atoav »

binkHN wrote: post #107
rvdginste wrote: post #103

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Been using Debian Linux as my main os for over 20 years. And happy that there’s less and less of a need to run a Windows vm. But even though most people are not happy with the recent evolution of Windows, most people will complain and then use it anyway. And Microsoft will get away with it and will take another step with the next release…

Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot; Windows is dying and they are milking what's left. The new generation will not touch Windows with a 20 foot pole.

You are describing my sentiment perfectly: I amn not using it if I can avoid it.

But I am not sure if I will be able to do that.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

lynguist wrote: post #158
qwertox wrote: post #123

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I'm currently in a phase where I'm deciding if I switch to Linux or MacOS. But it has become clear that staying on Windows is no longer an option. I've been a Windows user since version 3.0. Maybe even earlier versions since I was using DOS initially. It's sad to see into what they've turned it. Well, they'd just have to stop the spying and it would be somewhat tolerable, but that's not an option for them.

The memory management on Linux is worse than in Windows and Mac. Mac has an efficient memory compression and dynamic swap system, Windows also has one, but a little bit less efficient in my personal experience, and on Linux you have to configure zRAM or zSwap and they don’t work as well. You can’t keep memory pages as compressed data in RAM what you can do in Mac and Windows. The out of memory behavior is also very b…

> The out of memory behavior is also very bad on Linux, where it will just lock your system.

Don't modern distributions come with the OOM killer? On my Arch system I didn't have to do anything to have the one from systemd.

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