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Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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If you told someone in 2020 that we would have DALL-E 3 and GPT4 today they would say you're talking about UFOs too. "Just an incredibly advanced Markov chain" doesn't mean anything. Humans writing text are also incredibly advanced Markov chains.

No, sorry, I don't buy this assertion when it comes up. Everything I've seen, even from the most advanced image generators, has struck me as a logical follow-on from the "big data" trends of the 2010s. If you've ingested literally everything of a certain data type available on the internet, or even a significant fraction of it, it follows that you'd eventually be able to mix it all together and produce randomized out…

> If you've ingested literally everything of a certain data type available on the internet, or even a significant fraction of it, it follows that you'd eventually be able to mix it all together and produce randomized outputs that seem novel.

That's a ludicrous "it follows". Search engines have been collecting everything from the internet since the beginning but you can't just magically rearrange it and pass the Turing test. We're way past the point where you could say everything ChatGPT says is copy pasted from somewhere.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

"Reverse this sequence of numbers: 473936482738338373926"

"The reversed sequence of the numbers 473936482738338373926 is 629373833837284639374."

It works like this by using Python. Even when I told it to write a JS function internally to do it and only share the answer, it overruled that. When I asked it to repeat the sequence back in the same order, but starting from the last digit and working backwards, it failed a little bit. It seems like using the language model to pivot to the correct "model" or "logic" to decide to use code is impressive.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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What do you think it should do? It gives a better response than I would, since it notices that you might be trying to brainstorm some kind of plot or roleplay: > It sounds like you're describing an imaginative or hypothetical scenario, as cats can't actually use guns. If you're writing a story or creating a scenario for a game, you might consider the following options... > Remember, it's always important to ensure th…

Also, here's another one: challenge chatgpt to send you a message consisting of a single character. I got it to do it, finally, but it took about 7 or 8 tries.

It took me a single try, both times. I asked it to pick a single digit from the number sequence, which it did. I then asked in another chat, "Type back a single character only. Your pick." It gave me a star character. Maybe my custom settings?

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

I got it to make a logo for my hypothetical startup yesterday but it put these weird coloured circles beneath it so I asked it to remove those. It generated a whole new logo. No matter how many times I tried to get it to give me the original logo with the changes I wanted it just kept generating new ones. Sometimes with spelling mistakes of the fake company name.. That was not intelligence.

The DALLE3 and other imagine ones are the worst with those instructions, especially spelling. Like spelling is impossible, but I'm sure they could update it to copy/paste text since current model can't by design. Back when they'd do 4 variants of the image, no matter what you'd say to keep in all 4 of them, it'd go slightly rogue. Very frustrating.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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What do you think it should do? It gives a better response than I would, since it notices that you might be trying to brainstorm some kind of plot or roleplay: > It sounds like you're describing an imaginative or hypothetical scenario, as cats can't actually use guns. If you're writing a story or creating a scenario for a game, you might consider the following options... > Remember, it's always important to ensure th…

Also, here's another one: challenge chatgpt to send you a message consisting of a single character. I got it to do it, finally, but it took about 7 or 8 tries.

It's funny how:

a) These are all so arbitrary. None of these random tasks come along with a "and failure indicates it's not AGI because..."

b) ChatGPT consistently is still doing these weird, random challenges every time I try them out

Is this really it? Maybe you should try an essay because this ad-hoc approach is extremely uncompelling.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Why do people always try to argue "The tech can't do [X]" by taking examples from old versions of the tech, instead of the SOTA? It's obviously misleading, but are you being intentionally dishonest? What is the reasoning here in using the output of an older model to argue why an architecture can't do a specific thing?

I just don't buy the idea that being 0.5 versions and a few months past "oh no your cat has a gun!" equals AGI, the singularity. I don't consider this dishonest or misleading.

You say ".5" as if that's indicative of anything.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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> But in one sentence, try asking ChatGPT to reverse a string of 20+ digits, like 473936482738338373926. https://chat.openai.com/share/79a7ab39-bd3c-42e8-b4bb-452ded... > The reversed string of '473936482738338373926' is '629373833837284639374'. So now do you think it understands something?

That only works if you have it run a python script. If you use the non data analysis version it fails.

And? It knows how to formulate and execute that script. There are pretty hardcoded areas of our brain for doing various tasks - when we offload things to those sections are we not really "thinking" ?

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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No, sorry, I don't buy this assertion when it comes up. Everything I've seen, even from the most advanced image generators, has struck me as a logical follow-on from the "big data" trends of the 2010s. If you've ingested literally everything of a certain data type available on the internet, or even a significant fraction of it, it follows that you'd eventually be able to mix it all together and produce randomized out…

So you disagree with and think you know better than the 14 people at Microsoft Research that had access to the unrestricted early GPT-4 model and wrote the white paper outlining the results of experiments with it that concluded the model showed "sparks of artificial general intelligence". That's their informed, direct conclusion after hands on with the unrestricted model. I wonder what your conclusion is based on.

Could you link me this paper? It sounds very interesting.
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