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Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

> It isn't worth the effort because if people can't see it for themselves already, no amount of explanation from me is going to change their mind. That's convenient. I mean, if you were to produce such an essay I think it would actually be extremely high value and a lot of people would enjoy reading it. Hell, a decent HN post would be nice. But if you're so unable to express the idea, I frankly question whether you r…

Read the last paragraph. It doesn't take an essay.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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I am pretty positive on AI and LLMs and all this stuff. But even so I really doubt OAI could have made something so much better than GPT to the point that it worth sacking its CEO in such a manner. Sam has always been a salesman, that is true and the board knows it. It would take much more than just a disagreement on the value and urgency of a deal to get rid of him. I think it has to be active sabotage and some kind…

It does not mean that it is objectively many times better than GPT. It can be a disagreement of interpretation, Ilya and co strongly believing that it is not safe to release, while Sam thinking everything is fine. The capabilities themselves are not very relevant.

It’s still just extremely hard to see sacking your CEO over this.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

>But in one sentence, try asking ChatGPT to reverse a string of 20+ digits, like 473936482738338373926.

LLMs don't see numbers or letters but tokens. Letter, digit level manipulation is intuitively a hard task. Unsurprisingly, removing that handicap resulted in much better arithmetic abilities. https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.02989

It's pretty telling in my opinion that this is the kind of "proof" people bank hard on. For something that so obviously "does not understand", you'd think providing a task that it would fail that a chunk of humans also wouldn't would be easy.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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> It isn't worth the effort because if people can't see it for themselves already, no amount of explanation from me is going to change their mind. That's convenient. I mean, if you were to produce such an essay I think it would actually be extremely high value and a lot of people would enjoy reading it. Hell, a decent HN post would be nice. But if you're so unable to express the idea, I frankly question whether you r…

Read the last paragraph. It doesn't take an essay.

OK, I mean, you used the word essay so I used the word essay. But thanks for editing in that paragraph.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

> But in one sentence, try asking ChatGPT to reverse a string of 20+ digits, like 473936482738338373926.

https://chat.openai.com/share/79a7ab39-bd3c-42e8-b4bb-452ded...

> The reversed string of '473936482738338373926' is '629373833837284639374'.

So now do you think it understands something?

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

>But in one sentence, try asking ChatGPT to reverse a string of 20+ digits, like 473936482738338373926. LLMs don't see numbers or letters but tokens. Letter, digit level manipulation is intuitively a hard task. Unsurprisingly, removing that handicap resulted in much better arithmetic abilities. https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.02989 It's pretty telling in my opinion that this is the kind of "proof" people bank hard on. For…

How is it intuitively a hard task?

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

>But in one sentence, try asking ChatGPT to reverse a string of 20+ digits, like 473936482738338373926. LLMs don't see numbers or letters but tokens. Letter, digit level manipulation is intuitively a hard task. Unsurprisingly, removing that handicap resulted in much better arithmetic abilities. https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.02989 It's pretty telling in my opinion that this is the kind of "proof" people bank hard on. For…

Yeah, I just asked ChatGPT and it reversed it and then showed it's "reasoning" for it as this:

    # Reversing the provided string
    input_string = "473936482738338373926"
    reversed_string = input_string[::-1]
    reversed_string

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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"not ideal element to it" is quite the quote. This four person board wants to be in charge of the most capable artificial intelligence on the planet, but seems to be less organized than the average school board[1].

[1] https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725718391548207246

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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>But in one sentence, try asking ChatGPT to reverse a string of 20+ digits, like 473936482738338373926. LLMs don't see numbers or letters but tokens. Letter, digit level manipulation is intuitively a hard task. Unsurprisingly, removing that handicap resulted in much better arithmetic abilities. https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.02989 It's pretty telling in my opinion that this is the kind of "proof" people bank hard on. For…

How is it intuitively a hard task?

When ChatGPT sees '473936482738338373926', it tokenizes it into 7 tokens, not 20. You can play with it here: https://platform.openai.com/tokenizer

So to reverse the string, it can't just learn a kind of generic string reversal algorithm that goes character-by-character and outputs a result character-by-character. If it learned to output the tokens in reverse order, it would give a wrong answer (something like '926373...936473'.) Instead it has to learn something more complicated, like how each token is related to some other token that is its reverse, or how to identify it as a computational task and run some Python.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

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