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Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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>This coup is badly executed though I've seen this language used a few times now. A company's CEO is appointed by, and serves the goals of the board. Not the other way around. When the board perceives that the CEO isn't doing this, they can fire him. That's neither metaphorically or literally a coup. Especially bad narrative in this case because openAI has given itself a charter (and legal structure that subjects the…

It will be viewed this way by the public, and media, and yes me. Unless they can bring solid evidence of Sam has some irredeemable misconduct to the table. Otherwise, this is exactly what a coup is, a grab of power, with the current power center, not knowing about it. The board needs to explain themselves immediately, if they think this is idealogical disagreement, they should come clean, and tell us so. Not some nef…

Aren't director boards majoritarian? Isn't the whole point that the board has the power? A coup or power grab would be if the CEO managed to convince a minority of the board to work in the CEO's favor, to the detriment of the majority. I'm not even sure how that would work.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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"not ideal element to it" is quite the quote. This four person board wants to be in charge of the most capable artificial intelligence on the planet, but seems to be less organized than the average school board[1]. [1] https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725718391548207246

"it's interesting that someone with a 2014 bachelor's and a 2021 master's, with no experience other than a few years as a low-level employee at Open Philanthropy and then a strategy position at a Georgetown center, somehow leapfrogged onto the board of one of the most important organizations in the world." https://twitter.com/stuartbuck1/status/1725695721729380357

Exactly one year ago OpenAI was nowhere near as known as today.

And that person's tweet chain reeks of speculative elitism.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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That's not what it says for me on 3.5. > Oh, that sounds concerning! Cats don't typically handle firearms. Is there any way you can safely remove the gun from your cat's possession? It might be best to call for professional help or animal control to handle the situation safely. The priority is to ensure everyone's safety. Started new convo, asked again. > Oh dear, that sounds alarming! If your cat has somehow come ac…

Dude, you’re not even using GPT-4. Which is way less powerful as the version that openai has internally.

I just don't buy the idea that being 0.5 versions and a few months past "oh no your cat has a gun!" equals AGI, the singularity. I don't consider this dishonest or misleading.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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I just don't think they've come up with a definition of what AGI even is. Like, ChatGPT can do a lot, but it has no preferences, no desires, no memories, no feelings, no creativity. It's a text output calculated based on a text input combined with other text inputs. It's an extremely impressive piece of technology. But that is not a mind, that is not a consciousness. What even is AGI, really? I've been arguing with v…

Paper from two weeks ago by Google DeepMind putting together a very good definition that I haven't seen anyone in the field disagree with yet: https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.02462

They left out 7) Ability to explain why anyone who uses "Operationalizing" in a sentence is a bad person or AGI, and should feel bad

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It would be weird for this sort of disagreement to reach a feverpitch that would see the CEO sacked without some much better model in the background though. Like Dev Day was characterized as "too far". How ? How is that interfering with the mission to benefit all humanity? It's all very weird.

How is profit-sharing chatgpt stores benefiting humanity?

Funding further development in to AGI in the long term and creating new ways to make people more efficient in the short term?

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Well, that answers if we should continue to build for the GPT platform Sam introduced 11 days ago. Sad. Thanks for posting.

The whole coup was very unprofessional. How can i trust such a leadership? It’s not clear if the path taken by sam will be discontinued regarding the GPT platform

I imagine he'll head straight to Microsoft, who basically have a fork of the model.

The language in that license agreement is about to become rather important. Numerous lawyers are going to wake up stuck to their sheets tomorrow morning. Not just IP attorneys, but defamation specialists.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Rumors that they had a breakthrough that Sam wanted to deploy but Ilya didn’t. Makes me wonder what sort of capability they actually have in-house but not available for us plebs. And if they have that in-house, how reasonable is it to assume that the US government (or perhaps even other state governments) also have access to it?

There's no breakthrough secret AI they are hiding. The answer is always greed or incompetence.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Paper from two weeks ago by Google DeepMind putting together a very good definition that I haven't seen anyone in the field disagree with yet: https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.02462

They left out 7) Ability to explain why anyone who uses "Operationalizing" in a sentence is a bad person or AGI, and should feel bad

I used to feel the same way, but I got convinced that it's useful. Going from "planned" to "operational" in a way that conveys the continuity of the process doesn't have a good adverb and operationalising fits the bill.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

That’s very weird to read, because I’ve noticed some sentiments about “new physics” in anon AI twitter as well around a month and a half ago. I thought it was just weird speculation at the time, but now hearing it from a completely different source suddenly gives this some credibility. All of the above with tinfoil hat on, of course. Huge if true but still highly unprobable.

To be clear I think "new physics" is justification by Altman for it not being AGI not that they have something capable of that.

New physics is neat but there are world changing capable definitions that wouldn't meet that requirement.

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Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

If you told someone in 2020 that we would have DALL-E 3 and GPT4 today they would say you're talking about UFOs too. "Just an incredibly advanced Markov chain" doesn't mean anything. Humans writing text are also incredibly advanced Markov chains.

No, sorry, I don't buy this assertion when it comes up. Everything I've seen, even from the most advanced image generators, has struck me as a logical follow-on from the "big data" trends of the 2010s. If you've ingested literally everything of a certain data type available on the internet, or even a significant fraction of it, it follows that you'd eventually be able to mix it all together and produce randomized outputs that seem novel.

It also elides the significant encoding of human feedback, a contribution that AI firms have typically been none-too-eager to highlight.

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