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De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by jwells89 »

adamddev1 wrote: post #111
just_boost_it wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a mac for the first time this year. Honestly, it feels like taking a shower after getting home from the beach on a sunny day when you've been wearing sunscreen. Everything just works with no extra garbage, no constant intrusive updates, no hassle. The only issue I had was the lack of alt-tab, and that was solved by an app called alt-tab.

I was also pretty pleased with my move to MacOS but one thing I really miss is the file navigation from Windows. Like when I want to drag a file somewhere a few difectories deep. I wish I could hold it over a folder and then have it open that next folder, and so on. Is there a way to enable this? Also the in application file picker makes it difficult to go up and down directories.

> I was also pretty pleased with my move to MacOS but one thing I really miss is the file navigation from Windows. Like when I want to drag a file somewhere a few difectories deep. I wish I could hold it over a folder and then have it open that next folder and so on. Is there a way to enable this?

Macs have had a feature like that since the 90s called spring loaded folders. Pick up the file you want to move, then hold it over the base level destination folder for a moment until it “blinks” and it’ll open the folder in a new window. Rinse and repeat as you’re drilling down to the folder you want, then drop.

Back/forward buttons in Finder windows can also be hovered over with a dragged file to trigger those.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by bluefirebrand »

michaelmrose wrote: post #87
dghlsakjg wrote: post #72

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The law says that you need consent for any cookies which aren't strictly necessary for the functioning of the site. In your instance, I would have put a backordered hammer in my cart. I come back the next day to check and see if the hammer is in stock. The cookie that enables cart behavior is necessary to the functioning of an online store. No consent needed. In the real world, this basically means that tracking and…

Even tracking what items you had looked at purely for the purpose of showing you things you had previously considered is trivially justifiable if its used for that feature rather to sell info to advertisers.

Showing you your viewing history would be an "unnecessary to the core functionality of an online store" feature and require explicit consent to track.

I think it would actually be very difficult to demonstrate that this tracker is absolutely required for the online store to function.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by williamcotton »

donny2018 wrote: post #115
jchw wrote: post #55

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I find macOS annoying no matter what I do. AltTab is nice, but the window management still sucks in my opinion. The security bandages used to work around traditional desktop security models makes it feel incredibly annoying to use; I'll try to set a keyboard shortcut (not a global one mind you) in iTerm2 and suddenly I need to enable iTerm2 to have accessibility access? Disabling SIP is needed for a myriad of things…

Also, pressing (x) close button doesn’t close the app. It continues hanging somewhere inside of this $1500 machine’s 8GB of RAM. That alone makes me forget all of the Windows’s quirks and appreciate all the basic things my Windows machine offers.

Closing a window has never closed a Mac application. Like, since the first Macs. Applications can have multiple windows so it makes sense from a UX perspective to not terminate an application when a window closes, even if it is the last window.

This behavior can easily be overridden by application developers but they choose not to go against expected behavior.

Power users press Command + Q to quit an application.

I've literally never struggled with what you're describing.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by shiroiuma »

bee_rider wrote: post #110
binkHN wrote: post #85

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Surprisingly, I'm not sad at all. I've been using Windows for a long time and recently purchased a new computer with Windows 11. It's such an abomination that it forced me to try Linux for the very first time on my production machine, and I'm very pleased with the results. A thank you to Microsoft for giving me a reason to look somewhere else, and a sincere thank you to the open source community for all the work they…

There are some downsides to Linux, though. For example if you are made to use Windows at work you will feel sad, having seen what else is possible.

If you don't like the tools you're given at your job, look for a better job. Having to put up with a less-than-ideal work environment is part of the job, and it's your job to evaluate the job offer and how it compares to other offers (salary, benefits, location, work quality/type of work, work environment). I use Linux at work, and have for many years, but of course not everything is ideal: I'd like to have more control over the HVAC for instance. It's not enough to make me look for a new job, though, but perhaps for some people it could be. Having to use Windows for development, however, would be a hard no for me. But for some Windows haters, other factors might be enough to make them put up with it: high salary, convenient location, etc.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by sundvor »

aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

Win11 Pro user here.

It doesn't require too much effort to tame the beast. Until the shit is gone, sure it's not nice - and you still benefit from taking the installer offline mid-way so that you can choose your own username and such, which is a pita.

But once sorted, it's a great and very responsive ui.

And at least with Windows 11, as opposed to Win 10, I can tell the different windows apart, with a certain level of border consistency. Win10 made it all an atrocious blur, it really did my head in (eg Teams/VSCode all blending into one black canvas of hell).

I use WSL2 (Ubuntu 22.04) for most of my work, have a beastly, latest generation PC that I built myself with 4 monitors + a stream deck all profile mounted - and am very happy with it.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by rocketbop »

adamddev1 wrote: post #111
just_boost_it wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a mac for the first time this year. Honestly, it feels like taking a shower after getting home from the beach on a sunny day when you've been wearing sunscreen. Everything just works with no extra garbage, no constant intrusive updates, no hassle. The only issue I had was the lack of alt-tab, and that was solved by an app called alt-tab.

I was also pretty pleased with my move to MacOS but one thing I really miss is the file navigation from Windows. Like when I want to drag a file somewhere a few difectories deep. I wish I could hold it over a folder and then have it open that next folder, and so on. Is there a way to enable this? Also the in application file picker makes it difficult to go up and down directories.

> Also the in application file picker makes it difficult to go up and down directories.

You can use Command up or down keys.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by lrem »

jchw wrote: post #22
tonymet wrote: post #6

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In a few minutes you can make Windows 11 look pretty close to Windows 7 (or 10) by disabling personalization, content , widgets, new tab content. In edge disable all of the new tools and bing integration. You’re right about the hassle of doing it manually, and I wish there were a global “Windows 2k mode” that ran the OS as lean as possible.

> In a few minutes That's a pretty big understatement to be honest. I don't use Windows anymore, but I still occasionally set up Windows for other people and there's so many annoyances that it's difficult to even enumerate all of them. Off the top of my head: - MSEdgeRedirect to stop Windows from opening Edge even when it's not your defualt browser. - Shutup10++ to quickly disable a bunch of crapware/unwanted feature…

By paying 300 bucks, but not having a sysadmin do the legwork, you send a strong signal that you’re an individual with a lot of disposable income. Guess what advertisers make of that…

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

julianeon wrote: post #126
qwertox wrote: post #123

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I'm currently in a phase where I'm deciding if I switch to Linux or MacOS. But it has become clear that staying on Windows is no longer an option. I've been a Windows user since version 3.0. Maybe even earlier versions since I was using DOS initially. It's sad to see into what they've turned it. Well, they'd just have to stop the spying and it would be somewhat tolerable, but that's not an option for them.

As someone who’s been on Linux on and off for close to a decade (full time last few years) I’ve noticed something interesting. Now that so many apps have a browser version and prioritize the mobile version, the isolation caused by being on Linux keeps decreasing. Between your phone and your browser, that’s not quite 100% coverage, but it’s very good and improving all the time. You use your phone when you need a work…

I've been on linux for the better part of the last 6 years. Legitimately the only times I can recall _not_ being able to do something on Linux were a handful of use cases:

- Multiplayer games: Steam Proton largely solves compatibility for a lot of games now, but the included DRM and anti-cheat for some multiplayer games made them unplayable.

- Certain specialist tools like Photoshop, some CAD software, etc. Open source in this space is better in compatibility.

For the rest of the time I'd do the same as you say: stick to web apps, use the mobile version, etc.

I switched to Mac this year because the M1+ battery life is best-in-class for the price, and I sorely needed a cheaper solution for work than an inverter + batteries to survive South Africa's loadshedding. That, and that some Laravel tooling is smoother on macOS than anywhere else these days.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by InCityDreams »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #129

Tragic, we’ve finally reached a version of Windows that’s actually really good. Yet management has somehow decided it’s more important to push this crap as if it’s still the 2000’s and we dont have viable alternatives. News flash, outside of work and gaming, Windows isn’t needed. And even those are questionable in the future of cloud. What happens when we can run photoshop in the browser using remote resources? What…

>News flash, outside of work and gaming, Windows isn’t needed.

Sunken cost fallacy? I have some really expensive windows software that I'm not about to throw away, repurchase, as well as a new os/ machine. Windows fits my needs, though the constant telemetry fight etc is very annoying.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by michaelmrose »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #132
michaelmrose wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even tracking what items you had looked at purely for the purpose of showing you things you had previously considered is trivially justifiable if its used for that feature rather to sell info to advertisers.

Showing you your viewing history would be an "unnecessary to the core functionality of an online store" feature and require explicit consent to track. I think it would actually be very difficult to demonstrate that this tracker is absolutely required for the online store to function.

Most stores suggest products to buyers
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