This reminded me of a similar event in 2004 when Windows Media Player was made verboten, and Windows "N" was born:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Player#European_...
De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon
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Takes less than a few minutes with this PowerShell script: https://github.com/n1snt/Windows-Debloater
I've tried a number of these solutions, but if it needs constant babying it's not really useful for daily driving IMO. Still might be good for test VMs, but I want something that feels like it's actually supported if I'm going to run an actual desktop machine. "Just rerun this powershell script after shit breaks and hopefully the person maintaining it doesn't stop because it will need to be updated periodically to ke…
Or the ones that intentionally turn off Windows Update… because if I’m 14 just want to play games I guess I don’t care about security.
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#123Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.
Surprisingly, I'm not sad at all. I've been using Windows for a long time and recently purchased a new computer with Windows 11. It's such an abomination that it forced me to try Linux for the very first time on my production machine, and I'm very pleased with the results. A thank you to Microsoft for giving me a reason to look somewhere else, and a sincere thank you to the open source community for all the work they…
I'm currently in a phase where I'm deciding if I switch to Linux or MacOS. But it has become clear that staying on Windows is no longer an option.
I've been a Windows user since version 3.0. Maybe even earlier versions since I was using DOS initially.
It's sad to see into what they've turned it. Well, they'd just have to stop the spying and it would be somewhat tolerable, but that's not an option for them.
Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon
#124Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.
Man, I would LOVE to recommend OSX, but can’t. It’s too much spying, erm telemetry. Apple monitors every app opening every time. I can’t give up a shitty big brother for only a slightly less shitty one.
I moved to Linux Mint with a Windows VM at work for the couple of required things (Office) and while I wouldn’t say it’s painless in any way. I’m personally ready for it. I tried 10 years ago and was not.
So, I think if you can handle it, Linux, then OSX, but Windows is becoming a no go for anyone serious about privacy or security.
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I always deploy the DBAN when I get my hands on a new laptop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darik's_Boot_and_Nuke
Somewhat off-topic, but fun fact about Darik of DBAN fame - he landed himself in hot water a few years ago when it was revealed he was a founding member of a white nationalist Canadian political party [1]. The party was later dissolved due to inactivity when its leader went to prison for antisemitic hate crimes [2] [1] https://www.thespec.com/news/canada/he-says-he-works-securit... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C…
I had no idea.
As a fan of DBAN and as a Canadian, I am doubly disappointed.
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Surprisingly, I'm not sad at all. I've been using Windows for a long time and recently purchased a new computer with Windows 11. It's such an abomination that it forced me to try Linux for the very first time on my production machine, and I'm very pleased with the results. A thank you to Microsoft for giving me a reason to look somewhere else, and a sincere thank you to the open source community for all the work they…
I'm currently in a phase where I'm deciding if I switch to Linux or MacOS. But it has become clear that staying on Windows is no longer an option. I've been a Windows user since version 3.0. Maybe even earlier versions since I was using DOS initially. It's sad to see into what they've turned it. Well, they'd just have to stop the spying and it would be somewhat tolerable, but that's not an option for them.
As someone who’s been on Linux on and off for close to a decade (full time last few years) I’ve noticed something interesting.
Now that so many apps have a browser version and prioritize the mobile version, the isolation caused by being on Linux keeps decreasing.
Between your phone and your browser, that’s not quite 100% coverage, but it’s very good and improving all the time.
You use your phone when you need a work app you can’t get on Linux, and if you can, the browser version of the app. And of course if it natively supports Linux there’s no problem at all.
A decade ago, being all Linux was basically untenable. Now I barely have to mention it to people. It’s been a dramatic change in a short time span.
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I find macOS annoying no matter what I do. AltTab is nice, but the window management still sucks in my opinion. The security bandages used to work around traditional desktop security models makes it feel incredibly annoying to use; I'll try to set a keyboard shortcut (not a global one mind you) in iTerm2 and suddenly I need to enable iTerm2 to have accessibility access? Disabling SIP is needed for a myriad of things…
Also, pressing (x) close button doesn’t close the app. It continues hanging somewhere inside of this $1500 machine’s 8GB of RAM. That alone makes me forget all of the Windows’s quirks and appreciate all the basic things my Windows machine offers.
That’s because on Mac OS, there isn’t a 1:1 mapping of windows to processes. Instead, multiple windows of any given app are hosted by a single process which stays open when all windows have been closed to facilitate opening documents or new windows without pointlessly disposing of the existing process only to start another.
It’s been like that for the Mac’s entire existence. For someone who’s used Macs all their life, the Windows way is weird.
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#128Fantastic! How do we get access to this "European" version of Windows 11? Asking for Europeans who don't live in Europe, and for non-Europeans everywhere who want less Bing, Edge, and upselling in their OS.
Same here, I look forward to the workarounds that will come.
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#129Tragic, we’ve finally reached a version of Windows that’s actually really good. Yet management has somehow decided it’s more important to push this crap as if it’s still the 2000’s and we dont have viable alternatives.
News flash, outside of work and gaming, Windows isn’t needed. And even those are questionable in the future of cloud. What happens when we can run photoshop in the browser using remote resources? What happens when the Netflix of gaming emerges, what’s MS’s foothold then?
Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon
#130Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.
Surprisingly, I'm not sad at all. I've been using Windows for a long time and recently purchased a new computer with Windows 11. It's such an abomination that it forced me to try Linux for the very first time on my production machine, and I'm very pleased with the results. A thank you to Microsoft for giving me a reason to look somewhere else, and a sincere thank you to the open source community for all the work they…
Exactly, and this is why I'm not really happy about this news from the EU. It's just going to help MS cement its position instead of pushing people to look for alternatives.
Isn't there a Sun Tzu saying about not interfering when your enemies are shooting themselves in the foot?