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I talked about that point here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38215666
macOS market share is actually 20% on desktop/laptops despite Macs selling only about ~8-10% of total PCs worldwide. ------ So that's older Macs still in use and doesn't mean that the current 8GB Macs is still trending that way.
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Swap memory use is worse than actual memory use. If it just reserving a big block and not using it then fine whatever but if it's using a lot of swap that means ram is probably bottlenecking you since swap is slow.
It's of course slower than real RAM, but Apple are using pretty fast SSDs and possibly a novel model of swapping, making it effectively pretty good (certainly not perfect!).
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Like others here I am a dev, I'm fine with 8Gb. I skimmed through the video and the measurable slowdown was in image intensive apps like Lightroom and Blender. Why exactly should I be subsidizing those users?
This is the problem with skipping through things like this - you missed the part about real world chrome performance. It’s okay to be happy with 8gb, but it doesn’t mean you are right. Ignorance may be bliss but try not to spread it
I have two M1 Airs with 8gb apiece, run standard webdev loads with docker and over 100 tabs on each, and have zero issues ever. The memory management is absurd, and since I'm not working with large datasets, I'm happy. 32gb is my minimum on any other machine.
same here: both firefox and chrome open, VScode, terminal, multiple dev apps, node processes, PDF reader, Bunch of terminal processes, etc. Memory pressure is green. Its almost like they dont believe us. Sure 8GB sounds stingy, but I'd only need to upgrade if I started using VMs that gobbled up memory for themselves.
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When I was in college, I interned as IT support at a large corporation. We were buying $1200 Lenovos for normal office workers and $2000 laptop workstations for the design engineers. You'd be surprised at how much money enterprises spend on each laptop. I happen to think that the enterprise is an untapped market for Macs. Not tech offices. Other industries that run on Lenovos and Dells. If I'm a small business, I sti…
> I'd buy $750 M1 Airs. They last longer, "just work", and have fewer support issues. As an employee of a company that runs macbook fleets, hell no they don't. Every other year we have had to replace half our inventory because of the 2015 macbooks having faulty batteries that want to explode, and then the next generations being that terrible keyboard, where every single employee needed their entire top cover replaced…
IIRC there was a recall/replacement program for those batteries as well as earlier generations of the butterfly keyboard. I'm not a fan of the butterfly keyboard, but Apple did replace it twice for free. The final revision fixed the reliability problems for me at least.
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It's widely known that accessories like stick on camera covers can damage the screens of the new macbooks because they're designed with almost zero gap when shut. I work among a sea of macbooks and follow the macbook world rather closely and have never once heard of any common screen issue on the apple silicon models that didn't amount to someone having stuck something between the screen and the case when closing it.
There's loads of threads on Apple's own site, reddit, etc. of it happening. Some users have claimed it happened while the laptop was OPEN. But hey, it's not like Apple has a history of denying problems, right?
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> No it's not. A ton of programs used by regular people (Chrome etc.) are RAM hogs, if you are a dev, then Docker is also an egregious example. If you happen to play games (a big thing for average people), that 8GB will be shared between the CPU and the GPU. Even the Steam Deck, admittedly a budget device, comes with 16GB. That's why I said normal office workers and students. I never said 8GB is enough for devs. It w…
This article is about the PRO model. I doubt that normal should use PRO model. PRO model should have enough memory for a PRO person.
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> The company is the problem here The author feigns indignance at Apple's margins, as if the only possible purpose for that markup is to line the pockets of Apple execs. But this isn't pure profit for Apple. Apple develops feature and security updates which they make available for free (at the point of use) for years to their hardware customers. The significant hardware markup is what enables this! Contrast this to c…
You mean do the right thing by shareholders. Apple spends on the order of a 100 billion a year lining shareholder pockets through buybacks and dividends. That is three times what they spend on r&d. This company is making obscene amounts of profit only to hand most of it over to people whose contribution to apple’s success is zero, instead of spending it on improving the products or customers actually responsible for…
the lack of (competent) competition is what's the problem, not that that there's return on capital. I don't like Apple, but I hardly can blame them, when they can make all this money by simply being the least shit generally okay-ish option.
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We can talk about what "Pro" doesn't mean - a compromised, crippled machine that has to use swap memory from day 1. https://youtu.be/hmWPd7uEYEY So watch that and tell me again why you think the difference ‘isn’t measurable’. Tell me after watching that video you think the 8gb machine which is performing up to 5x worse than the 16gb model is "Pro" Imagine the reverse - if Apple had a new cpu that performed 5x better…
Like others here I am a dev, I'm fine with 8Gb. I skimmed through the video and the measurable slowdown was in image intensive apps like Lightroom and Blender. Why exactly should I be subsidizing those users?
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macOS market share is actually 20% on desktop/laptops despite Macs selling only about ~8-10% of total PCs worldwide. ------ So that's older Macs still in use and doesn't mean that the current 8GB Macs is still trending that way.
Yes, there is no guarantee that Macs are trending that way. However, I have a feeling that Apple Silicon Macs, even with 8GB, will last very longer than Intel Macs with the same amount of memory in the past.