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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by patmorgan23 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #449
scrps wrote: post #447

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Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

They're building and deploying those boxes through the Amazon Hub program. There's no single-family size yet though.

There are vendors that will sell you a single home package locker. I believe parcel pending is one.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by jkestner »

whoopdedo wrote: post #245
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

A stressed out underpaid and overworked delivery driver is the last person I want in my garage. Verified deliveries are left at the wrong house, or the driver simply takes it with them after posting the porch picture. And I've seen boxes arrive that were forced open and the contents pulled out. But sure, it's the customers who are untrustworthy not the delivery people.

Let Amazon sell you a garagecam that they can feed into their driver surveillance system.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by vladvasiliu »

ben_w wrote: post #629
bravura wrote: post #580

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Here in Berlin Germany, packages are given to whichever neighbor in your apartment building happens to reply to the buzzer fastest, typically the ground floor ones. (Elevators are also uncommon.) I'm friends with all my neighbors but I find this practice completely bizarre.

My case, they're often either not delivered at all (returned to sender or kept at a random Filiale) or if they are delivered it's to a different building that DHL guessed might have been mine. This is one of several reasons I no longer buy anything from Amazon. Not even if it's the cheapest source. Even if it gets to a Filiale, those are further than most of the shops that would sell similar items.

Amazon doesn't usually ship with DHL in France. But there's another comically bad company, not sure how they're still in business.

It's rare the Amazon sends something via them, but whenever they do, I expect to not get the package. And when I don't, I just call up Amazon support and complain about them and make it a point to mention I often have issues with that specific company. They usually offer to cancel the shipment and reship overnight. Don't know if they can actually control it or if it's coincidence, but all reshipments have been via Amazon.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by mlrtime »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #563
scrps wrote: post #447

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Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

I find it odd that the standard policy is to leave packages unattended in any form in the first place . This is another one of those things that is not standard globally. E.g for us in South Africa, this would be unthinkable, regardless of how much time it saves the delivery company. The only time a parcel is left at the door is when it's UberEats. Otherwise delivery is rescheduled if we don't physically collect parc…

One of the nice things about living in a safe suburb, I can leave my door unlocked and packages out for 24+ hours and they are never stolen.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by jabroni_salad »

gorgoiler wrote: post #556
scrps wrote: post #447

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Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

Are you upset with Amazon for hypothetically refusing to deliver to your home unless you give them a virtual key fob to your garage? Let’s just take a step back here and recognise that we’re asking online retailers to leave our deliveries outside our homes, with direct access to members of the public, but we’re also asking for them to assume responsibility if the packages are stolen. Morally, in isolation, it’s not a…

something like 50% of the time I try to redirect a fedex package to walgreens (local drugstsore) the retailer has that feature disabled. I'm sure they have a great reason for it but it seems that putting the package unsigned on my doorstep is specifically the service that they are choosing and I do not have a choice nor do I get to find out about it until after the order has shipped.

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Post by rtkwe »

scrps wrote: post #447
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

Labelling the garage delivery as only to Amazon's benefit is a bit disingenuous. Package theft is a pretty bad issue in many places so having deliveries dropped behind a locked door is also a benefit to the user.

As for your security concern it's not unfounded but if your garage is built like most in the US there's probably already a locking exterior grade door between it and the outside because a garage door isn't that great as a security barrier to begin with unless you remove the pull cord that unlocks the door from the carrier.

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Post by jabroni_salad »

blitz_skull wrote: post #496
dheera wrote: post #476

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I just connected my garage door opener to Home Assistant by taking apart a paired remote and wiring the button to a Zigbee relay. They can't stop me, no part of this is connected to their cloud. In any case, smart home stuff should never rely on the cloud. https://i.imgur.com/lNOXdhe.jpg If you have a Chamberlain garage door opener and looking to connect it to HA you can do this too.

This is genius. As someone who is familiar-enough with minor electronics to fuck something up, but not confident enough to look at this photo and go for it—what am I trying to learn here? What are the terms I'm trying to google to figure out how to connect to via ?

The pictured solution is very easy and comes with directions (ratgdo).

However, if even that is too much you can make a Switchbot do almost anything. It's just an actuator that pokes buttons and is a premade product with a shell rather than a DIY thingy.

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Post by rtkwe »

closewith wrote: post #576
sublimefire wrote: post #571

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Local post office evolved in Ireland recently and started offering parcel boxes to be installed next to the door. There are 2 keys and one of them allows the post office worker to open the box and put the parcel in. This obvs does not work for other delivery companies but now you can see an option in the order forms to allow the delivery company leave the package at the door (e.g. IKEA). Otherwise, it is just unthink…

The main function is to obscure whether a package has been left or not, since the master keys were available online before An Post starred selling the boxes. Some DPD drivers use them too. Physically, they're about as secure as an Amazon cardboard box.

A small level of friction can reduce a lot of issues though. Without being able to tell that a package has been delivered they have to break into or open random boxes and hope there's a package inside increasing the chances they're caught and wasting their time. It's the same kind of thing proof of work anti spam measures can work under, it adds a tiny friction to legitimate users but illegitimate users have to do tons of work to send their spam or in this case open a lot of boxes.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by rtkwe »

derefr wrote: post #500
scrps wrote: post #447

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Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

> How about amazon builds (at their expense) an amazon controlled box, slap a mcu on, do authentication over nfc, rfid, etc etc. Offer it to customers free of charge, hell throw in a sweetener to get them to adopt. I mean, they already do exactly this — this is what Amazon Lockers are. It's just only seemingly worth it to Amazon to deploy them to commercial customers, e.g. at post offices, in front of Whole Foods loc…

They'd be pretty easy to secure on a wood porch and only require minor power tools on a concrete porch to bolt down. Even if you only chained or cabled it to the railing that'd do a lot. Don't forget thieves won't know until they move the thing if there's even a package to steal.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by phpisthebest »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #567
TheCapeGreek wrote: post #563

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I find it odd that the standard policy is to leave packages unattended in any form in the first place . This is another one of those things that is not standard globally. E.g for us in South Africa, this would be unthinkable, regardless of how much time it saves the delivery company. The only time a parcel is left at the door is when it's UberEats. Otherwise delivery is rescheduled if we don't physically collect parc…

Here in France that would be unthinkable, too. But the US still seems to have some remnants of a high trust society, which has been only a temporary thing in many places, if at all. Not having such a society adds frictions in all kind of interactions. In the end, that means cost. I can understand why people and company try to shift that cost when it comes up in areas where it wasn't present beforehand.

Here in the US, in many places, attempting to steal someones package off their porch will get you shot. Rightfully so.

Places in the US that have high level of porch piracy also have high levels of gun control, and low levels of gun ownership.

You have to really want my $5 towel to risk your life doing that around my parts of the US

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