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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by sublimefire »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #563
scrps wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

I find it odd that the standard policy is to leave packages unattended in any form in the first place . This is another one of those things that is not standard globally. E.g for us in South Africa, this would be unthinkable, regardless of how much time it saves the delivery company. The only time a parcel is left at the door is when it's UberEats. Otherwise delivery is rescheduled if we don't physically collect parc…

Local post office evolved in Ireland recently and started offering parcel boxes to be installed next to the door. There are 2 keys and one of them allows the post office worker to open the box and put the parcel in.

This obvs does not work for other delivery companies but now you can see an option in the order forms to allow the delivery company leave the package at the door (e.g. IKEA). Otherwise, it is just unthinkable that someone would leave the package at the door without ringing you and agreeing in advance.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by barroomhero »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #227

I highly recommend anyone having problems with this consider trying this free as in speech (and as in beer if you've got solderimg skills and an ESP laying around) solution: RatGDO [0] 40 bucks, HA, and about half an hour each (mostly fiddling with the ESP/shield pcb wiring inside the light cover of the opener from the awkward overhead-on-a-ladder position) for me to no-cloud smartify two chamberlain MyQ openers. Spe…

I think I have everything needed lying around in spare parts. Know of a guide for install? I tried building something similar years ago but got stuck on the software.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by alhirzel »

TrisMcC wrote: post #473
alhirzel wrote: post #236

I wonder if there is a device that just taps into the open/close wires, with a sensor that will optically detect the distance along the track of the highest roller of the door, and attaches magnetically to the track. This solution would have first-class home assistant support and work across all door openers. ratgdo[1] is close. [1]: https://paulwieland.github.io/ratgdo/

I use opengarage. https://opengarage.io/

Nice! Thanks for pointing their project out.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by yrro »

gorgoiler wrote: post #556
scrps wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

Are you upset with Amazon for hypothetically refusing to deliver to your home unless you give them a virtual key fob to your garage? Let’s just take a step back here and recognise that we’re asking online retailers to leave our deliveries outside our homes, with direct access to members of the public, but we’re also asking for them to assume responsibility if the packages are stolen. Morally, in isolation, it’s not a…

This sounds totally mad to me.

If I order something for delivery, it is the retailer's responsibility to deliver it to me. If they leave it where it is stolen before it's in my posession than that is not my problem.

Were it any other way I would not order anything online!

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by brabel »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #567
TheCapeGreek wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it odd that the standard policy is to leave packages unattended in any form in the first place . This is another one of those things that is not standard globally. E.g for us in South Africa, this would be unthinkable, regardless of how much time it saves the delivery company. The only time a parcel is left at the door is when it's UberEats. Otherwise delivery is rescheduled if we don't physically collect parc…

Here in France that would be unthinkable, too. But the US still seems to have some remnants of a high trust society, which has been only a temporary thing in many places, if at all. Not having such a society adds frictions in all kind of interactions. In the end, that means cost. I can understand why people and company try to shift that cost when it comes up in areas where it wasn't present beforehand.

Here in Sweden, you can agree to let the delivery company just leave the package by the front door, but it's only common for low value things. Most things are delivered to your nearest post office counter (usually in your closest supermarket) and recently, to a locked postbox nearby which you unlock online with their app.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by closewith »

sublimefire wrote: post #571
TheCapeGreek wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it odd that the standard policy is to leave packages unattended in any form in the first place . This is another one of those things that is not standard globally. E.g for us in South Africa, this would be unthinkable, regardless of how much time it saves the delivery company. The only time a parcel is left at the door is when it's UberEats. Otherwise delivery is rescheduled if we don't physically collect parc…

Local post office evolved in Ireland recently and started offering parcel boxes to be installed next to the door. There are 2 keys and one of them allows the post office worker to open the box and put the parcel in. This obvs does not work for other delivery companies but now you can see an option in the order forms to allow the delivery company leave the package at the door (e.g. IKEA). Otherwise, it is just unthink…

The main function is to obscure whether a package has been left or not, since the master keys were available online before An Post starred selling the boxes. Some DPD drivers use them too.

Physically, they're about as secure as an Amazon cardboard box.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by blitz_skull »

ranting-moth wrote: post #549
blitz_skull wrote: post #497

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Yeah, fuck these guys big time. I'm literally going to sell my garage door opener and buy a new because of this.

I'm going to read this as an attempt at sarcasm. That doesn't need to happen for the Charlatan Group to struggle. Most current hardware companies are dependent on the customer to renew their hardware every 5 years.

Re-reading I could see how this might be interpreted as sarcasm, but I am 100% serious.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by XorNot »

gorgoiler wrote: post #556
scrps wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

Are you upset with Amazon for hypothetically refusing to deliver to your home unless you give them a virtual key fob to your garage? Let’s just take a step back here and recognise that we’re asking online retailers to leave our deliveries outside our homes, with direct access to members of the public, but we’re also asking for them to assume responsibility if the packages are stolen. Morally, in isolation, it’s not a…

I think the point is that there's little reason to trust that you would not simply be robbed either by them leaving the garage open, or robbing it themselves.

If Amazon want to leave packages securely, then I am more then happy for them to partner with mail carriers and other delivery services and come up with a common standard for an externally secure lockbox system*. But they're not getting an open door into my house.

The problem in the delivery space is everyone does whatever - there's no standard or common code for communicating secure delivery logic for a premises. You can come up with whatever and it just won't be used. But "give me access to inside your private property" is one of the more insane solutions given that a garage is not an unvaluable area, nor necessarily a non-hazardous one.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by XorNot »

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #444
dfxm12 wrote: post #436

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I gave amazon my code for a Christmas present that absolutely could not have been stolen from my porch (as many other recently had). As a working man, I couldn't sit at home to wait for it. I was a little nervous, but I have cameras at least. I then removed all reference to this code from my account. Then, one driver entered while I was going about my day in there and saw me waiting with a hockey stick, as I was wond…

> and now I sometimes get delivery drivers getting pissed off at me (for some reason) that the code doesn't work after they ring my doorbell Since Amazon clearly has no idea what they are doing, I would put up a note next to the keypad saying “Amazon drivers: just drop the package, there is no code”

"Keypad broken! Being fixed Thursday" would also work.

No one will ever question it.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by bravura »

brabel wrote: post #575
vladvasiliu wrote: post #567

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in France that would be unthinkable, too. But the US still seems to have some remnants of a high trust society, which has been only a temporary thing in many places, if at all. Not having such a society adds frictions in all kind of interactions. In the end, that means cost. I can understand why people and company try to shift that cost when it comes up in areas where it wasn't present beforehand.

Here in Sweden, you can agree to let the delivery company just leave the package by the front door, but it's only common for low value things. Most things are delivered to your nearest post office counter (usually in your closest supermarket) and recently, to a locked postbox nearby which you unlock online with their app.

Here in Berlin Germany, packages are given to whichever neighbor in your apartment building happens to reply to the buzzer fastest, typically the ground floor ones. (Elevators are also uncommon.)

I'm friends with all my neighbors but I find this practice completely bizarre.

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