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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by Qwertious »

sbarre wrote: post #536
TeMPOraL wrote: post #529

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> I'm not sure that would work. If the home locker was not very heavy or very securely attached to something immovable package thieves would just steal the lockers. How expensive pouring some concrete into a small hole in the ground would be? Or would this become real estate then, or otherwise require a construction permit?

Renters would not be able to do this.

Don't be lazy - if renters offered a few grand to their landlord then they could; plus the cost of construction materials, inspection and labor.

The problem is that it's prohibitively expensive compared to just eating the cost of any thefts, keeping an eye on pickup times so you (or a family member) can take the package inside ASAP, and using pick-up for any truly expensive ($1k+) items when possible.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by paulgerhardt »

jkestner wrote: post #308
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

Lockitron! I remember chatting with your engineer about the WiFi radio we used in Twine. Good insight. Ah, chokepoint capitalism. The problem with every company becoming a tech company is that they all expect unsustainable tech company growth. The strip mining of customers is also scaling up, so efficient that industries will destroy themselves. Can't wait until private equity owns the radios in my home, and controls…

Twine! You guys single handedly snowballed the Kickstarter revolution! Huge inspiration for us and Pebble in 2012 directly.

Your campaign felt like a “butterfly flapping its wings causing a hurricane” kind of moment. You inspired so many entrepreneurs of that time to take a risk and crowd fund which then inspired another generation. Some of whom ended up huge and going public like Peloton.

Regarding choke points - I don’t think they’re all bad. Sometimes certainly, but others it’s a defensible moat that forces an industry to specialize into various key players that serve integral roles. I’m thinking specifically of semiconductors with companies like Western Digital locking up storage, Qualcomm with radios, ARM with compute, Samsung/Hynix with memory, etc This creates a stable enough ecosystem to build various software abstractions on top.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by bluGill »

sangnoir wrote: post #423
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #404

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My in-laws have this, but mine, my parents, my siblings, my wife's siblings, and my neighbor all have a big window in that door. And none of them are ever locked.

How old are those houses? They probably are not compliant with current building codes[1], many places require your garage doors (and ceilings) to have higher fire resistance than the rest of the house. In my experience, fire-resistance correlates to sturdiness in doors. 1. I know it's a broad generalization, also location-dependant

Latest codes have backed off of that. Doors that can meet the old fire doors had closing springs set so strong the elderly couldn't open them (or couldn't get in with packages after getting it open)

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by scottlamb »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #526
godelski wrote: post #505

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> Also, I keep stuff (bikes) in the garage that I don't want stolen. Most people keep cars in their garage. Which last I checked were usually more expensive than bikes. Joke aside, people keep a lot of valuable stuff in garages. Hell, tool chests can easily be worth thousands of dollars and are easy to pawn.

This makes me feel like the whole thing is, in large part, meant as complementary product to security cameras. For example Ring cameras, oh so conveniently owned by Amazon.

Maybe, but (and I say this as the author of an NVR [1]) security cameras only accomplish so much. It helps that in this case Amazon/etc. theoretically knows who opened your garage so with their cooperation (not a given), you should be able to match the video to the suspect, but even then it may not provide the expected standard of proof much less get your stuff back...

[1] https://github.com/scottlamb/moonfire-nvr/

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by bonniemuffin »

Tangurena2 wrote: post #509
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #444

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> and now I sometimes get delivery drivers getting pissed off at me (for some reason) that the code doesn't work after they ring my doorbell Since Amazon clearly has no idea what they are doing, I would put up a note next to the keypad saying “Amazon drivers: just drop the package, there is no code”

I've got this large delivery box on my porch. Right next to the door. You see it when coming up the steps. About 1/3 of the time packages are left on the porch next to the box that has inch-high letters spelling "Deliveries". The page on Amazon for "delivery instructions" changes frequently, but there's no way to put on there anything about "delivery box". At least they now come to the correct door of the house - the…

Circa 2010-2014ish, I had the same Amazon delivery driver for several years, and it was awesome! It was just this one guy who delivered all the Amazon packages to my neighborhood. Same guy in the same truck every time, and he got to know my family and we would chat and he would help me with gardening and give me advice on how to prune my trees.

Nowadays that seems so hopelessly quaint.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by gorgoiler »

scrps wrote: post #447
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

Are you upset with Amazon for hypothetically refusing to deliver to your home unless you give them a virtual key fob to your garage?

Let’s just take a step back here and recognise that we’re asking online retailers to leave our deliveries outside our homes, with direct access to members of the public, but we’re also asking for them to assume responsibility if the packages are stolen.

Morally, in isolation, it’s not a very defensible position for the consumer to take. I personally don’t feel so bad about it when it’s Amazon — they can afford it, basically — but in general it’s not realistic for porch pirates to be anyone else’s problem except the consumer’s.

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Post by goydefense »

jrockway wrote: post #441
TeMPOraL wrote: post #226

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The stuff I learn in this thread is so unbelievable that I don't even know what to say anymore. This feels like pulled straight from Idiocracy .

To some extent, serving ads is like owning a money printer. I can't really get upset that everyone wants to own a money printer. I just hope that there is a backlash against ads someday, where they start having a negative effect. "Oh, Toyota is constantly advertising in my garage door app? I'm going to buy a Ford instead." People say that the US government defaulting on its debt would be the end of the world, but the…

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Post by egberts1 »

justin_oaks wrote: post #285
egberts1 wrote: post #139

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All remote are more potentially hostile than any local will ever be.

And the company doesn't even have to be actively hostile for remote to be risky. The company could go out of business and shut down their servers. Or shut down the servers because they're no longer selling the product. Sometimes incompetence is as bad or worse than malice. The company could break an API accidentally. Or the API only works intermittently. Or they could add poorly-implemented rate limiting that uninten…

Or worse, someone else spins up a server in its place.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by goydefense »

rootusrootus wrote: post #366
lock-the-spock wrote: post #246

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Somewhat off topic but it is quite stunning to me that American carriers just leave the package at the door. I lived in different European countries and in all of them the expectation is that the mailman (official mail, or any of the services like dhl, ups, etc) will ring the bell. If you don't answer they will ring the neighbour and then take it back and either try again another day or you can go to a pickup point.…

UPS used to do that. I hated it. If I'm not at home I have to wait another day to get my package, or drive across town to get it from the depot. Just put it on the porch. Not everyone lives in an area with a package theft problem, let those folks work out their own solution but don't punish the rest of us.

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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by goydefense »

kubik369 wrote: post #19
denysvitali wrote: post #14

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I prefer to have an e-waste law that says that if you stop maintaining the service, you have to open-source it :)

Unfortunately, this is just wishful thinking. Take an example where a company is going under. If such a law existed, it would be unenforceable as the company does not have the resources and know-how how to do such a thing. After they file for bankrupcy, there is no point in punishing them.

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