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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by immibis »

scrps wrote: post #447
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

Welcome to capitalism.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by TeMPOraL »

NavinF wrote: post #519
TeMPOraL wrote: post #503

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And yet somehow here in Poland we have like 5+ companies (InPost, Allegro, several delivery services and even Orlen - the gas station operator - of all things!) one-upping each other in placing parcel lockers on every flat piece of land that's too small for developers to build an apartment block on. I have 10+ of such lockers within 5 minutes walk of my apartment. Now how is that possible ?

Dude you just replied to a comment about Amazon Lockers, one of many locker services that do exactly what you described in the US. If you combine all the companies (I dunno why you would), there's a lot more than 10 per 5 minute walk in a city

I know; but I was surprised about implied lack of ubiquity of the kind of lockers that are massively deployed where I live.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by immibis »

jkestner wrote: post #308
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

Lockitron! I remember chatting with your engineer about the WiFi radio we used in Twine. Good insight. Ah, chokepoint capitalism. The problem with every company becoming a tech company is that they all expect unsustainable tech company growth. The strip mining of customers is also scaling up, so efficient that industries will destroy themselves. Can't wait until private equity owns the radios in my home, and controls…

It already does. Have you heard of HDCP?

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by tzs »

scrps wrote: post #447
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

> Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility?

Most people get quite irked when someone steals their Amazon package between the time it was left at their door and the time they actually try to get the package. Hence for most people who occasionally receive Amazon packages when no one is home to quickly take it inside a way to let Amazon put the package in their locked garage is a benefit.

> How about amazon builds (at their expense) an amazon controlled box, slap a mcu on, do authentication over nfc, rfid, etc etc. Offer it to customers free of charge, hell throw in a sweetener to get them to adopt.

Like Amazon Lockers? That's not as convenient as delivery to your home. Or do you mean they should provide lockers to individual homes?

I'm not sure that would work. If the home locker was not very heavy or very securely attached to something immovable package thieves would just steal the lockers.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by WWLink »

seanalltogether wrote: post #346
Nextgrid wrote: post #327

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Why should the garage door manufacturer take a cut if a third-party wants to use/access my garage door (which sells for real money and isn't advertised as a rental). If a homeowner wants to let Amazon, Walmart, etc to open their garage door, it should be up to him to provide them with an access token/secret/etc to enter, just like you can put a door keycode in the order notes. The interaction should be purely between…

1. Company wants to sell an iot product. 2. Through research they find user wants to interact with their smart device while outside of range of wifi/bluetooth. 3. Company builds device firmware and cloud infrastructure to support this goal. 4. Company wants to simplify business logic and doesn't provide local (wifi/bluetooth/zigbee) support. Online only can service both on-premise and off-premise. 5. Company needs to…

I'll argue the fucking garage opener shouldn't even be connected to the internet. It, like every other "smart home" device should be connected to a zigbee/z-wave/thread gateway that can be replaced when it gets old and the manufacturer can't/won't support the gateway anymore.

This current model is a fucking failure.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by TeMPOraL »

godelski wrote: post #505
scottlamb wrote: post #370

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> Not sure where you live, but every house I've lived in (USA, a few different states) during my entire life has had an exterior-quality door with exterior-quality lock, including deadbolt, between the house and garage. Likewise, but even if it's actually locked, no lock is impenetrable, and a closed garage provides a thief with the privacy to pick it at leisure or even break down the door. Burglary deterrence advice…

> Also, I keep stuff (bikes) in the garage that I don't want stolen. Most people keep cars in their garage. Which last I checked were usually more expensive than bikes. Joke aside, people keep a lot of valuable stuff in garages. Hell, tool chests can easily be worth thousands of dollars and are easy to pawn.

This makes me feel like the whole thing is, in large part, meant as complementary product to security cameras. For example Ring cameras, oh so conveniently owned by Amazon.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by NavinF »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #522
NavinF wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude you just replied to a comment about Amazon Lockers, one of many locker services that do exactly what you described in the US. If you combine all the companies (I dunno why you would), there's a lot more than 10 per 5 minute walk in a city

I know; but I was surprised about implied lack of ubiquity of the kind of lockers that are massively deployed where I live.

They're ubiquitous, but few prefer them over the convenience of delivery to the doorstep. Buyers are never responsible for missing packages so there's little incentive to use lockers unless you're buying a secret gift or live in a very sketchy neighborhood or your home is so far from the warehouses that same-day delivery is only available at the locker

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

NavinF wrote: post #482
CodeWriter23 wrote: post #396

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If only there were some kind of information processing device that could automatically expire codes after a set period of time.

You still need an API for getting new codes. If you're willing to switch apps and manually generate a new code every time you order something online, you likely don't order often enough to be relevant to any e-commerce company

No you don’t. I enter code into browser of iOt thingy, set to expire midnight on delivery day, copy/paste to Amazon when placing order. NBD. I could even reuse the same one over and over if I want, just enable it when a delivery is due.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by TeMPOraL »

tzs wrote: post #524
scrps wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

> Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? Most people get quite irked when someone steals their Amazon package between the time it was left at their door and the time they actually try to get the package. Hence for most people who occasionally receive Amazon packages when no one is home to quickly take it in…

> I'm not sure that would work. If the home locker was not very heavy or very securely attached to something immovable package thieves would just steal the lockers.

How expensive pouring some concrete into a small hole in the ground would be? Or would this become real estate then, or otherwise require a construction permit?

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

godelski wrote: post #502
gambiting wrote: post #475

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As if amazon drivers read the notes. I once left a giant note saying in capital letters "DO NOT RING DOORBELL, SLEEPING BABY AT HOME" and of course the absolute knobhead from Amazon had to ring the doorbell. Literally never shouted at anyone in my life before this.

A few times I've left a very big note that says "PLEASE KNOCK LOUDLY" while sitting in my livingroom facing the door just to never see the UPS or FedEx delivery person approach but get a text message about "no one responding" so they reschedule the pickup (and I can't pick it up at the hub a few miles down the road because it's closed...). One time I chased a driver who literally just threw a note on my door (no sign…

Probably they are getting squeezed to deliver an impossible number of packages during their shift. Hence the stories about drivers peeing in bottles and such.
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