I'm not sure, but wouldn't the absence of abs and airbags disqualify it from the EU market?
It says both are options, so that could just mean you get slightly more expensive variants.
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is not the EPA emissions regulations that caused the problem of gigantic, expensive trucks. It’s a combination of NTSB safety requirements for price and CAFE fuel efficiency requirements for size.
The safety regulations can't be working though as road traffic fatalities are increasing.
Aren't the safety regulations just for vehicle occupants, not the other vehicles/pedestrians that the oversized trucks annihilate?
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#113In other words, a pickup truck! Not a giant SUV masquerading as one, with a 5ft bed and 5-passenger luxury car cab, with price to match. I'm old enough to remember normal pickup trucks, affordable for actual "work" use, with bench seating for three, full 8x4 bed with half ton cargo capacity and not much else.
> In other words, a pickup truck!
I know you and everyone is salivating over it, mostly due to price, but this is NOT a pickup truck. This is an upscaled UTV. You can already buy similar in the US for offroad purpose (farm) for 1x - 2x the price of the Toyota/hilux.
This vehicle does not meet any safety standards whatsoever and is not roadworthy. I doubt it even has the rollover protection of a forklift.
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#114Oooh, I would _absolutely_ buy one of these to tow with. (looks like that diesel has _enough_ torque for my needs.) It's become almost impossible to find a cheap pickup truck in the US. Even older USED trucks are commanding $30K these days. If they could fit this out to pass safety regs in North America and keep the price under $20K, it would be a license to print money.
What are you going to tow? The unbraked tow capacity is 750Kg. The fact that there even is an unbraked vs braked capacity points to how horrible (ie, not roadworthy) this vehicle is.
Excellent farm truck, I assume, or Toyota wouldn't put their name on it. But not something you are going to use on highways in the US, and esp not with a trailer.
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#115I wonder how much weight it will carry or tow.
750kg
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Metric tonne.
For additional confusion's sake, I got it wrong - It's not an "Imperial" ton in the US, but a "Customary" ton. There's also a British "Imperial" ton, and sometime called the "Long ton" (whereas the US Customary unit is also called the "Short ton". The Imperial Ton is 2240 pounds, which if you're dyslexic is the same as the Metric Ton's 2204.6 pounds. Don't forget the metric fucktonne, as well.
this is also different from the shit-ton or shitton, which is customary
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Maverick is nowhere near a success. Powertrain issues aside, it was nearly impossible to buy the $20,000 trim of the truck. Sure you can buy a $40,000 optioned out hybrid version, but a used Frontier or Tacoma is a much better option for a $20,000 truck.
It’s been a smashing success for ford. The reason it was impossible to buy is the Ford sold the entire year’s production in a few days. Ford misjudging demand is a screw up, but it’s definitely a been a success.
> Ford misjudging demand is a screw up, but it’s definitely a been a success.
as problems go, that's a good one to have.
and keep in mind that covid, economic upheavals, and chip shortages messed with car production hard. labor issues may also be a challenge.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reason is government regulation. I'm not saying that increased safety and emission standard are bad, but they're the main thing driving up car prices. How can I assert that with confidence? Because all you need to do is to look up what the cars that are illegal to sell in the US, EU and countries that are similarly regulated. E.g. South Africa has pickup trucks starting at around $15k, new: https://briefly.co.za/…
> The reason is government regulation. I'm not saying that increased safety and emission standard are bad, but they're the main thing driving up car prices. I don't think that is remotely true. You're commenting on a discussion on Toyota launching a $10k pickup, and there is absolutely no suggestion this price is achieved by ignoring regulation.
the point is that this truck will never see sale in the USA- It would be illegal to sell and not meet standards.
Regulations are different by country, so you see different cars at different price points. It is also illegal to import this car (again regulation), so that impacts price as well
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#119>So, Why Are We Sad? I feel like the question in the title is just... forgotten about, lol. I guess the reader is supposed to know it's because it's not available in the U.S.
Toyota see the huge demand in the US, but won't have something ready for a few years. It'll be a Hilux-vs-Tacoma thing.
The Ford Ranger/Maverick is selling like hotcakes and Toyota can't ignore that market, esp. with Ford's labor issues and Toyota's challenges with EVs and focus on ICE.
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#120No build in hardpoints for weapons? Otherwise amazing. I love how value engineered the aesthetic is.
It won't be available in the US so they're not needed.
pffffff they have humvees in the US.
but 10000 Saharan militiamen in toyota hilux models can't be wrong.
this model of truck is primarily for Asia, esp. Thailand, so entirely likely they wind up in Burma sporting a 12.7mm MG