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Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by wkat4242 »

explaininjs wrote: post #161
projectazorian wrote: post #151

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Welcome to the “underground” scene, where middle school level behavior is still regarded as the height of sophistication. Almost like actual adults who still sport non-drug-addled brains should run away as quickly as possible.

It is, in a sense, the opposite end of the "autism spectrum". An innate deep understanding of social cues and general empathy.

The fetish scene has remarkably high numbers of people with autism and other behavioural disorders. I think it's because the scene is so open and accepting above all. You can be yourself.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by 3seashells »

vidarh wrote: post #215
kristopolous wrote: post #178

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Counterpoint: Hacker News, CDMX EBM scene, goth scene, LA underground art scene, SF renegade rave scene, Latin bars, gay clubs like the EndUp, which have been open and welcoming since 1971, gay black scene, free software movement, gay Asian scene in any city, bear bars, salsa clubs, martial arts clubs, drag bars, anime scene, furry scene, hiking groups, Trekkies, adventurer clubs, punk scene, bicycle riders groups, a…

> Hacker News Pay attention to the downvotes, and browse HN with "showdead" turned on, and you'll see that HN stays the way it is in large part due to aggressive exclusion of those who can't stick to society norms up to an including the metaphorical "door guy" (bans). Self-filtering is a start. But pretty much all cliques and scenes also have lines you will get ostracised if you go past. The extent of their reaction…

Some of the dead can be interesting as long as the discussion does not touch topics that send them off. Makes you wonder if you could create a discussion direction tag based partial shadowban.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by bowsamic »

dartharva wrote: post #305
bowsamic wrote: post #258

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So are you going to go all the way with your reasoning and claim that there has never been an actual social problem ever?

No, I am claiming that no matter what the kids do, it will always be "wrong" for you, just because they are kids and you are not.

Okay, well you are wrong about that.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by explaininjs »

wkat4242 wrote: post #311
explaininjs wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, in a sense, the opposite end of the "autism spectrum". An innate deep understanding of social cues and general empathy.

The fetish scene has remarkably high numbers of people with autism and other behavioural disorders. I think it's because the scene is so open and accepting above all. You can be yourself.

Wouldn’t one expect non-normative sexual desires to go with non-normative mental conditions? But that doesn’t have much to do with the bouncers.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by munksbeer »

LeanderK wrote: post #244
pallas_athena wrote: post #221

Clubs turning people away is a feature, not a bug. It's a moderation problem, and if you don't have the right "vibes" you don't get in. It's arbitrary? Yes. Prone to false positives? Yes. Does it work? Also yes. That's how clubs maintain their unique identity.

during the final stages of covid you could only buy tickets beforehand and therefore there wasn't really a hard door to get though. It sucked and destroyed really any unique character. For example, usually sissy is more colourful, more festival-like, easy going but being there during the last civid-stages it sometimes felt like an after-work event. With young professionals who look like they are being spat out of co-…

> With young professionals who look like they are being spat out of co-working spaces, wearing chinos and all.

Oh god, the horror. How did you cope? Did you still manage to express yourself with these soul sucking chino wearers nearby? It's a good thing that indiviualism is so non-judgemental huh.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by pdntspa »

mikosty wrote: post #237
pdntspa wrote: post #176

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The most likely reason is that you give off tourist vibes. My Berliner friend told me as such when I came to visit, we hit up some thrift shops so I could get some local threads and 'blend in' In fact, when I got in one club a very cute german girl tried to talk to me on the dancefloor. But I didn't speak any German and she got angry, shouting "aaauuggh!! tourists!!!" Also, for the clubs that forbid alcohol (hard dru…

As a regular Berlin visitor I have never heard of a club that "forbids alcohol" let alone encourage illicit drug usage. It's actually quite the opposite – the clubs tend to actively discourage drug use (meaning searching for them at the door and kicking out everyone who is caught using).

Did you have a local taking you to undergrounds? Because these kinds of places don't really advertise at hostels.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by wkat4242 »

explaininjs wrote: post #315
wkat4242 wrote: post #311

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The fetish scene has remarkably high numbers of people with autism and other behavioural disorders. I think it's because the scene is so open and accepting above all. You can be yourself.

Wouldn’t one expect non-normative sexual desires to go with non-normative mental conditions? But that doesn’t have much to do with the bouncers.

I don't know, not really.

From what I see a lot of people have these desires but rarely act on them. People often tell me in confidence when I mention what I do.

I think it's a lot more normative than people think.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by projectazorian »

explaininjs wrote: post #288
projectazorian wrote: post #287

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I’ll happily go out on a limb and say that people who believe they have acquired inerrant powers of scrying because somebody let them work the door somewhere are arrogant at best. It’s really a great example of the narcissistic desire for power and control that drives the behavior of a lot of people in the scene.

Yes, bouncers can go on absurd power trips for no reason and get a kick out of flexing on the peons. And yes, it is possible to quickly assess someones P(an issue) after a career of observing tens of thousands of people and whether or not they were an issue. These things can both be true. [And keep in mind a false-positive matters not-one-bit-at-all, whereas a false-negative is (quite literally) an issue.]

But the bouncers at Berghain aren't just there to keep troublemakers at bay like the bouncers at your local venue or, you know, almost any other club in Berlin.

We're supposed to believe they're engaged in some sort of vibe curation process to attain the perfect crowd for the night. There's this weird purity aspect to it that is more than a little problematic.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by explaininjs »

projectazorian wrote: post #319
explaininjs wrote: post #288

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Yes, bouncers can go on absurd power trips for no reason and get a kick out of flexing on the peons. And yes, it is possible to quickly assess someones P(an issue) after a career of observing tens of thousands of people and whether or not they were an issue. These things can both be true. [And keep in mind a false-positive matters not-one-bit-at-all, whereas a false-negative is (quite literally) an issue.]

But the bouncers at Berghain aren't just there to keep troublemakers at bay like the bouncers at your local venue or, you know, almost any other club in Berlin. We're supposed to believe they're engaged in some sort of vibe curation process to attain the perfect crowd for the night. There's this weird purity aspect to it that is more than a little problematic.

Given the endless endorsements in this very thread that club has the exact “vibe” they want, it seems the bouncers are doing a damn good job at their job.

It is the fool that tells the industry-proven expert that they know better.

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