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Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant
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Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant
#52Isn't Dacia Spring around 20-23k in the EU and built in Morocco? What quality will that Tesla have at 25k?
It seems to be manufactured in China, not Morocco, but yes, it starts at 20k without counting any possible eco/green bonus schemes.
And it's an absolute piece of shit that does 0-100kph in 20s and tops out a 125kph (and at that speed you're not going much farther than 100km)
Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
An electric four door estate makes tonnes of sense in the EU. The estate in the EU is an important car package, it's a family work horse. > In addition to keeping the cost of R&D and production low, Tesla wants to ensure the compact EV is easy to manufacture. It's simple and other manufacturers have done it for years. Just use standard parts where possible. Stop designing custom headlights, glass, wheels, etc, etc. I…
Sounds like a Citroen Ami? https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/citroen/ami
Too slow (45kph) and not enough range (75km), but perfect for the city.
Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like a Citroen Ami? https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/citroen/ami
Not quite, "estate" is a station wagon.
Fair point - a two seat estate is a bit odd, unless you go down the shooting brake route...
Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, he is a liar because he is known to have lied in many of his "predictions". The fact is that those were not predictions, those were lies aimed at pumping up the stock price of his company, massively overpromising things that he likely fully knew were unachievable. I don't even hate the guy by the way. It's difficult to read balanced takes on him since he is such a polarizing figure, especially after he bought Twi…
> No, he is a liar because he is known to have lied in many of his "predictions". Ok, so please provide the exact time you consider it a "lie" and not a "prediction" > The fact is that those were not predictions, those were lies aimed at pumping up the stock price of his company, He's won every single lawsuit about this so far, but feel free to sue him if you think this is what he did. With the level of scrutiny tesl…
> sue him
Why would I? I was never invested in any companies he is involved in. His lies never damaged my investments.
I also don't buy any products made by his companies. You see, I take great care in not falling for grifters.
And I have little interest in getting into a back and forth with someone white knighting for Elon. As I said, I don't even hate the guy, and let's be frank, you are not willing to let go any of your positions anyway. All his lies are well documented and easy to look up, but you will just hand wave them away, so let's cut this short.
> 99% of silicon valley would be in jail
Agreed. But rich assholes tend to get the powers that be on their side.
Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant
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If you look at it that way, yes, it’s not expensive. I would say that the Fiesta is 10k too expensive.
In what world a 18k Fiesta is 10K too expensive if a top of the line trail mountain bike (pedal powered, not e-bike) is 11K?
This is something that has been on my mind for a long while: are cars super cheap or bikes super expensive?
Looking at how much material it takes to make and how complex it is, I would expect a car to cost ~100 more than a bike, but in reality it's more like ~10 more
Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you look at it that way, yes, it’s not expensive. I would say that the Fiesta is 10k too expensive.
In what world a 18k Fiesta is 10K too expensive if a top of the line trail mountain bike (pedal powered, not e-bike) is 11K?
Compare what's comparable... a top of the line watch cost 50k+ so cars are all cheap I guess ?
In 1990 you could buy a Golf GTI for 77k french francs, which is 19000 euros today. And that was the best golf money could buy.
Today the absolute base model Golf costs 32k euros. The current GTI starts at 48k. Even the polo starts at 19k+, and that's the shittiest vw you can buy.
The bottom line is back in the day any working person could buy a bas model shitbox, now the low class workers needs a 10 years loan to do the same
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I think the real reason to bring it to Berlin is because the Mexico gigafactory is on pause at the moment. Irrespective of what one may think, Musk has achieved model 3 and model y production in face of criticism.
The model 3 is a very successful car. However, based on what the stated goal of the Model 3 was, it failed. Unless you consider a brief 43 day window when sales where slow as hitting the target. So, sure they may sell a handful of cars built at this factory at 25k, but more realistically this may be hitting the price point the Model 3 was aiming for.
Car manufacturing is hard and sometimes it takes multiple iteration to get to the initial goal. Tata Nano was a similiar failure. In there case though, the car literally failed in the market at all prices.
Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
In what world a 18k Fiesta is 10K too expensive if a top of the line trail mountain bike (pedal powered, not e-bike) is 11K?
This is something that has been on my mind for a long while: are cars super cheap or bikes super expensive? Looking at how much material it takes to make and how complex it is, I would expect a car to cost ~100 more than a bike, but in reality it's more like ~10 more
Regular bikes are super cheap, but if you buy a top of the line, specialised and low quantity bike you're paying a premium of course.
Price is never about the material used... an iphone would be $200 if it was the case. Look into economy of scale, how money is made through maintenance/parts/after sale services, &c.