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Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by raxxorraxor »

world2vec wrote: post #4
wiz21c wrote: post #2

That's already twice too much for my budget. But since we need to have less cars on the roads, maybe Tesla is just puching in the right direction :-)

What kind of budget you have? 25k euro is a pretty good price range for a small electric car, maybe you're better suited looking for second-hand cars.

Electric vehicles will succeed or fail with how they can establish themselves on a second hand market.

I would have the budget for such a price, but I certainly wouldn't want to pay it. For official business there are company cars and I drive perhaps 5000 km per year. I still have a car and I need it to visit some more remote people and for convenience.

Paid 2.5k for it and I have it since a few years. I do have a mechanic, so repairs are cheap, but you can guess about my expectations for buying the next car. Haven't seen EV with attractive prices yet.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by zpeti »

Seems like this is going to be a massive new push for the electrification of all cars, I think this could be absolutely massive, considering just quickly tesla is making inroads on all markets. A 25k car is huge for reaching even more customers.

I also wonder if this is targeting the market where BYD is so successful. I imagine most chinese customers would buy a tesla vs a BYD if they had similar pricepoints.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by yodsanklai »

wiz21c wrote: post #2

That's already twice too much for my budget. But since we need to have less cars on the roads, maybe Tesla is just puching in the right direction :-)

It's not expensive. Even budget, non-electric, cars such as ford fiesta cost about 18K nowadays.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by bArray »

tromp wrote: post #8

https://topelectricsuv.com/news/tesla/tesla-model-2-design-d... https://www.hotcars.com/tesla-compact-ev-what-we-know/ https://www.motorlogue.com/tesla-model-2/ show several design proposals and speculation.

An electric four door estate makes tonnes of sense in the EU. The estate in the EU is an important car package, it's a family work horse.

> In addition to keeping the cost of R&D and production low, Tesla wants to ensure the compact EV is easy to manufacture.

It's simple and other manufacturers have done it for years. Just use standard parts where possible. Stop designing custom headlights, glass, wheels, etc, etc.

I would also advise to Tesla to build an even lower cost model, perhaps with the following specs:

* 2 seats and some space for shopping/luggage

* Half range (~200 miles or so), shorter charging time

* Lightweight, smaller motors, inverters, etc

* Repairable (keeps the cost down in the second hand market), use off-the-self components where possible

They could call it "Tesla Model # Lite". The market would be people who drive to local towns, etc, and back. If I were them I would sub-contract an existing manufacturer to build it too.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by zpeti »

zapnuk wrote: post #10

More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruck, roadster, semi truck, Tesla taxi/autonomous driving, and reliability (TÜV) failures. And wasn’t the model 3 already supposed to be the affordable Tesla?

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Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by jacquesm »

world2vec wrote: post #4
wiz21c wrote: post #2

That's already twice too much for my budget. But since we need to have less cars on the roads, maybe Tesla is just puching in the right direction :-)

What kind of budget you have? 25k euro is a pretty good price range for a small electric car, maybe you're better suited looking for second-hand cars.

ICE based small cars sell for about 10K less. Second hand electric cars are still few and far between.

Here is a Nissan Leaf from 2011 for 5K:

https://www.marktplaats.nl/v/auto-s/nissan/m2041841167-nissa...

There is no mention of remaining battery capacity, only the original is listed.

For that kind of money you can fairly easily find a Renault, Skoda or if you're lucky a VW with lower mileage and probably a newer model year.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by lawn »

zpeti wrote: post #15
zapnuk wrote: post #10

More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruck, roadster, semi truck, Tesla taxi/autonomous driving, and reliability (TÜV) failures. And wasn’t the model 3 already supposed to be the affordable Tesla?

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> Did I miss any of your possible talking points?

Yes, that he has a cult following excusing everything he does.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by mattmanser »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #11
world2vec wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of budget you have? 25k euro is a pretty good price range for a small electric car, maybe you're better suited looking for second-hand cars.

Electric vehicles will succeed or fail with how they can establish themselves on a second hand market. I would have the budget for such a price, but I certainly wouldn't want to pay it. For official business there are company cars and I drive perhaps 5000 km per year. I still have a car and I need it to visit some more remote people and for convenience. Paid 2.5k for it and I have it since a few years. I do have a me…

Do you mean particular brands?

Electric cars in general will be the only option. The big countries in the EU are banning selling new petrol cars in 2035. So they'll definitely succeed, there's no option!

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by manuelmoreale »

zpeti wrote: post #15
zapnuk wrote: post #10

More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruck, roadster, semi truck, Tesla taxi/autonomous driving, and reliability (TÜV) failures. And wasn’t the model 3 already supposed to be the affordable Tesla?

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> it was affordable for the right market segment.

What is that supposed to mean? Everything at any price point can be affordable for the right market segment.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by tokamak-teapot »

yodsanklai wrote: post #13
wiz21c wrote: post #2

That's already twice too much for my budget. But since we need to have less cars on the roads, maybe Tesla is just puching in the right direction :-)

It's not expensive. Even budget, non-electric, cars such as ford fiesta cost about 18K nowadays.

If you look at it that way, yes, it’s not expensive.

I would say that the Fiesta is 10k too expensive.

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