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Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by dagw »

zpeti wrote: post #12

Seems like this is going to be a massive new push for the electrification of all cars, I think this could be absolutely massive, considering just quickly tesla is making inroads on all markets. A 25k car is huge for reaching even more customers. I also wonder if this is targeting the market where BYD is so successful. I imagine most chinese customers would buy a tesla vs a BYD if they had similar pricepoints.

Interestingly in the European markets BYD has entered they seem to be trying to compete in the higher priced market segments. The cheapest car they sell in Sweden costs more than the ID.3 and other cheap EVs and their SUV is priced to closer to BMW than Kia.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by mrpopo »

Arnt wrote: post #22
zapnuk wrote: post #10

More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruck, roadster, semi truck, Tesla taxi/autonomous driving, and reliability (TÜV) failures. And wasn’t the model 3 already supposed to be the affordable Tesla?

No. https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-... says "So, in short, the master plan is: Build sports car. Use that money to build an affordable car. Use that money to build an even more affordable car. While doing above, also provide zero emission electric power generation options." There's no mention of stopping after a particular model.

That's a 17-y.o. blog post. Musk has very much changed since then. And where does the Cybertruck fall into that master plan?

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by zpeti »

the-smug-one wrote: post #25
manuelmoreale wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it was affordable for the right market segment. What is that supposed to mean? Everything at any price point can be affordable for the right market segment.

You missed the part where whenever you under produce you're not going to be able to satisfy demand, making it so that you can have a waiting list :-).

I mean, the model Y is the 4th best selling model in the world, the model 3 is 7th (in 2022).

Yes I'm sure they are under producing, just to have a waiting list...

I mean come on, you are arguing in such bad faith its insane. This is 20 year old car company that's producing the 4th best selling car int he world. It's insane. But sure, Elon is a liar and purposefully under produces... sigh.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by lmm »

mattmanser wrote: post #18
raxxorraxor wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electric vehicles will succeed or fail with how they can establish themselves on a second hand market. I would have the budget for such a price, but I certainly wouldn't want to pay it. For official business there are company cars and I drive perhaps 5000 km per year. I still have a car and I need it to visit some more remote people and for convenience. Paid 2.5k for it and I have it since a few years. I do have a me…

Do you mean particular brands? Electric cars in general will be the only option. The big countries in the EU are banning selling new petrol cars in 2035. So they'll definitely succeed, there's no option!

Or people will stop driving. Or those deadlines will get pushed back.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by resolutebat »

zapnuk wrote: post #10

More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruck, roadster, semi truck, Tesla taxi/autonomous driving, and reliability (TÜV) failures. And wasn’t the model 3 already supposed to be the affordable Tesla?

Tesla has been working on what the automotive press has dubbed the "Tesla 2" for quite some time, and quite a few details are already known:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_next-generation_vehicle

The only real news here is that Tesla is planning to build them in Germany, in addition to the previously announced Mexico plant.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by prmoustache »

tokamak-teapot wrote: post #20
yodsanklai wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not expensive. Even budget, non-electric, cars such as ford fiesta cost about 18K nowadays.

If you look at it that way, yes, it’s not expensive. I would say that the Fiesta is 10k too expensive.

In what world a 18k Fiesta is 10K too expensive if a top of the line trail mountain bike (pedal powered, not e-bike) is 11K?

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by zpeti »

surgical_fire wrote: post #23
zpeti wrote: post #15

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No, he is a liar because he is known to have lied in many of his "predictions". The fact is that those were not predictions, those were lies aimed at pumping up the stock price of his company, massively overpromising things that he likely fully knew were unachievable. I don't even hate the guy by the way. It's difficult to read balanced takes on him since he is such a polarizing figure, especially after he bought Twi…

> No, he is a liar because he is known to have lied in many of his "predictions".

Ok, so please provide the exact time you consider it a "lie" and not a "prediction"

> The fact is that those were not predictions, those were lies aimed at pumping up the stock price of his company,

He's won every single lawsuit about this so far, but feel free to sue him if you think this is what he did. With the level of scrutiny tesla is under, and the level of shortselling going on previously, if there was any of this going on there would have been massive class action lawsuits.

You are repeating anti Elon talking points, without actual facts. But feel free to source the exact things you mention.

Getting predictions wrong are not lies. Especially for an extremely ambitious entrepreneur in very tough markets. If it were, 99% of silicon valley would be in jail, or fired, or whatever.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by resolutebat »

bagels wrote: post #29
zpeti wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It was marketed as a $35,000 car, and never sold as such. First editions were all more expensive (long range or dual motor, I forget which)

It was exactly $35k in 2019, and even today, despite massive inflation in the five years since, the base model is just under $39k.

https://www.tesla.com/blog/35000-tesla-model-3-available-now

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by yulaow »

world2vec wrote: post #4
wiz21c wrote: post #2

That's already twice too much for my budget. But since we need to have less cars on the roads, maybe Tesla is just puching in the right direction :-)

What kind of budget you have? 25k euro is a pretty good price range for a small electric car, maybe you're better suited looking for second-hand cars.

25k is quite a lot for many average salaried people in Europe, indeed the step bump of price (almost 2x in 10 years) of non-electric cars already put the eu market in a dire position where most people are not able to replace their car anymore and keep using very old cars with very high pollution outputs
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