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Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by dathinab »

world2vec wrote: post #4
wiz21c wrote: post #2

That's already twice too much for my budget. But since we need to have less cars on the roads, maybe Tesla is just puching in the right direction :-)

What kind of budget you have? 25k euro is a pretty good price range for a small electric car, maybe you're better suited looking for second-hand cars.

good price range for a new car, yes

But also more then what a good part of the population is willing to afford to pay for a car. Weather hear or in the US a lot of people buy second,third,fourth hand.

And that's a problem I think massively underestimated, a least currently electric cars are kinda badly suited for being resold, especially if they come from companies with pretty bad service/walled garden reputation like Tesla.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by Arnt »

zapnuk wrote: post #10

More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruck, roadster, semi truck, Tesla taxi/autonomous driving, and reliability (TÜV) failures. And wasn’t the model 3 already supposed to be the affordable Tesla?

No.

https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-... says "So, in short, the master plan is: Build sports car. Use that money to build an affordable car. Use that money to build an even more affordable car. While doing above, also provide zero emission electric power generation options."

There's no mention of stopping after a particular model.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by surgical_fire »

zpeti wrote: post #15
zapnuk wrote: post #10

More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruck, roadster, semi truck, Tesla taxi/autonomous driving, and reliability (TÜV) failures. And wasn’t the model 3 already supposed to be the affordable Tesla?

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No, he is a liar because he is known to have lied in many of his "predictions". The fact is that those were not predictions, those were lies aimed at pumping up the stock price of his company, massively overpromising things that he likely fully knew were unachievable.

I don't even hate the guy by the way. It's difficult to read balanced takes on him since he is such a polarizing figure, especially after he bought Twitter, and that got a lot of people's knickers in a bunch.

But let's call a liar when we see one, shall we? It is healthier than being a sycophant for asshole billionaires.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by the-smug-one »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #19
zpeti wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> it was affordable for the right market segment. What is that supposed to mean? Everything at any price point can be affordable for the right market segment.

You missed the part where whenever you under produce you're not going to be able to satisfy demand, making it so that you can have a waiting list :-).

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by ashgoyal »

zapnuk wrote: post #10

More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruck, roadster, semi truck, Tesla taxi/autonomous driving, and reliability (TÜV) failures. And wasn’t the model 3 already supposed to be the affordable Tesla?

I think the real reason to bring it to Berlin is because the Mexico gigafactory is on pause at the moment. Irrespective of what one may think, Musk has achieved model 3 and model y production in face of criticism.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by bagels »

Arnt wrote: post #22
zapnuk wrote: post #10

More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruck, roadster, semi truck, Tesla taxi/autonomous driving, and reliability (TÜV) failures. And wasn’t the model 3 already supposed to be the affordable Tesla?

No. https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-... says "So, in short, the master plan is: Build sports car. Use that money to build an affordable car. Use that money to build an even more affordable car. While doing above, also provide zero emission electric power generation options." There's no mention of stopping after a particular model.

Well, it doesn't say the cycle should repeat more than they already have.

Roadster, Model S, Model 3.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by ed_blackburn »

I think I am more excited to see how the competition reacts. The world needs more affordable EVs and there's a price point to be found that successfully balances affordability and quality. I cannot imagine only Tesla are chasing this segments because one can only assume it's TAM is huge, and most just in Europe.

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by bagels »

zpeti wrote: post #15
zapnuk wrote: post #10

More affordable (and smaller!!!) electric cars would be nice. However, out of the mouth of mr Musk it sounds more like hot air to distract from their cybertruck, roadster, semi truck, Tesla taxi/autonomous driving, and reliability (TÜV) failures. And wasn’t the model 3 already supposed to be the affordable Tesla?

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It was marketed as a $35,000 car, and never sold as such. First editions were all more expensive (long range or dual motor, I forget which)

Re: Tesla to build 25,000-euro car at German plant

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Post by arethuza »

bArray wrote: post #14
tromp wrote: post #8

https://topelectricsuv.com/news/tesla/tesla-model-2-design-d... https://www.hotcars.com/tesla-compact-ev-what-we-know/ https://www.motorlogue.com/tesla-model-2/ show several design proposals and speculation.

An electric four door estate makes tonnes of sense in the EU. The estate in the EU is an important car package, it's a family work horse. > In addition to keeping the cost of R&D and production low, Tesla wants to ensure the compact EV is easy to manufacture. It's simple and other manufacturers have done it for years. Just use standard parts where possible. Stop designing custom headlights, glass, wheels, etc, etc. I…

Sounds like a Citroen Ami?

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/citroen/ami

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