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Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by rekado »

globalnode wrote: post #123
Animats wrote: post #43

Installable via F-Droid, always a good sign.

f-droid website says "This app promotes or depends entirely on a non-free network service" -- whats that all about?

I disagree with f-droid on using the term "non-free" for network services, because it conflates the issue of software freedom with SaaS.

See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s...

> Many free software supporters assume that the problem of SaaSS will be solved by developing free software for servers. For the server operator's sake, the programs on the server had better be free; if they are proprietary, their developers/owners have power over the server. That's unfair to the server operator, and doesn't help the server's users at all. But if the programs on the server are free, that doesn't protect the server's users from the effects of SaaSS. These programs liberate the server operator, but not the server's users.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by erremerre »

Dlanv wrote: post #297
_heimdall wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This a a very different situation. Stores are selling products or services, and they explicitly put prices on the products. Content available freely online is much different, as there is no price and at best the hope is that the consumer sees an ad or sponsorship and that the content creator has accurate analytics as to how many saw the ads. Your analogy would be more akin to someone stealing access to paywalled cont…

Video streaming sites have a cost to create. The price is ads or paying for a paid service like YouTube premium. So you're still stealing, you just convince yourself it's ok, and that's fine.

If you go to the store on summer to enjoy the aircon, but you dont buy anything, because you just go there with a book and read your book and leave.

Are you stealing?

The aircon have a cost. Cold fresh air cost electricity that costs money.

The price is to buy stuff from the shopping centre, that gives money to the stores that pay a rent price for the local that pays for the aircon bill.

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Post by lrvick »

iamflimflam1 wrote: post #240

It’s surprising how many people in the comments don’t want adverts, don’t want sponsorship AND don’t want to pay anything for content.

There are zero payment methods available for those of us who opt out of surveillance capitalism, and we refuse to be excluded from culture either, so we consume content for free and without ads until alternatives emerge.

LBRY has the right idea with microtransactions.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by lrvick »

cjmcqueen wrote: post #292
severus_snape wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want ads all over my screen when I browse the web. It doesn't mean I don't want to pay for content (I do pay). If ads were all blocked, websites would charge for content, and I believe people would pay. I would. I'm glad to pay for a better quality of life and less consumerism. Meanwhile I use NewPipe and uBlock Origin which I believe have a good impact on this society.

It's easy to pay for YouTube premium and remove ads. So why not do that?

I for one do not because I do not have a Google account, and do not want one, because I do not consent to their data harvesting practices or give money to surveillance capitalism corporations.

When I can pay creators directly with anonymous microtransactions, I will.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by lrvick »

wg0 wrote: post #300
iamflimflam1 wrote: post #240

It’s surprising how many people in the comments don’t want adverts, don’t want sponsorship AND don’t want to pay anything for content.

Isn't that... Bit selfish? Also, let's start a competing service. How to pay for... Bandwidth alone? Forget about talented engineers or anything else. Maybe it's a strong word but choking the revenue stream but still getting the fruits of it - there's another word for it. One way to choke the revenue stream would be not to watch at all. I don't pay for YouTube but it's the most useful web property. Arguably alongside…

Download bandwidth can be paid for by re-sharing content with peers via upload bandwidth. It works for millions of people torrenting content right now.

Once you remove ads and the ability to track and target people, peer to peer works. Add anonymous microtransactions to creators and you end up with LBRY.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by lrvick »

Dlanv wrote: post #298
Difwif wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would rather not watch anything than watch ads. The cost of watching ads is my sanity.

Then pay for ad removal

Paid ad removal is not possible without signing up for more tracking. Pass.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by SpaghettiCthulu »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #219
WaffleIronMaker wrote: post #121

I also recommend GrayJay https://GrayJay.app

I tried that, and wanted to like it but the lack of video recommendations killed it for me. I couldn't even see videos from my subscriptions. Major disappointment.

Subscriptions work perfectly for me. Better than on YouTube tbh.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by CivBase »

HeavyStorm wrote: post #275
gobip wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I come to your house, destroy your door, steal your mom's dinner for 4 ppl, are we both cheating? How about we compare with something actually worth comparing for? For example switching channels when there's the ad break, or turning the sound off, etc. When I download something, I'm not "stealing it". When I block an ad, I'm not stealing either. I didn't remove 10$ from Google's bank account that was there before.

If you don't pay your electric bills you never removed money from where it was before. Does it now applies?

I signed a contract with my local power company, which I would be breaking if I did not pay them. I signed no such contract with Internet Historian.

That said, I appreciate it when content creators provide alternative ways to support them. I support dozens of creators with monthly donations and I occasionally buy merchandise when they're selling something I'm interested in. Just don't waste my time with ads.

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