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It’s surprising how many people in the comments don’t want adverts, don’t want sponsorship AND don’t want to pay anything for content.

Why would I want to pay for anything? Consumers generally seek the lowest possible price. That's how economics works. YouTube wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't "free". I do pay for my internet connection and bandwidth. But obviously I found the best possible deal. There is the busking model and I do choose to contribute a small amount to a small number of creators that I can tell put a lot of cash and effort into t…

Hiding behind theories of consumer behavior is not an excuse for immoral actions. Open source was never meant to be the place where open theft and piracy should thrive. And, the Robinhood sentiment isn't really applicable here because you're stealing from creators. YouTube may be owned by a multi billion dollar corporation, but it does support and bootstrapped a vibrant creator community. The more time we spend stealing content that should be supported by ads or a paid subscription the less effective we make that economy. If we want to do good here, pay some of your favorite creators with a tip, or merch, or specifically sub to their channel. Or, even better, come up with ways creators get paid more. Subverting ads is a downward spiral for things to work better for consumers and creators.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#292

It’s surprising how many people in the comments don’t want adverts, don’t want sponsorship AND don’t want to pay anything for content.

I don't want ads all over my screen when I browse the web. It doesn't mean I don't want to pay for content (I do pay). If ads were all blocked, websites would charge for content, and I believe people would pay. I would. I'm glad to pay for a better quality of life and less consumerism. Meanwhile I use NewPipe and uBlock Origin which I believe have a good impact on this society.

It's easy to pay for YouTube premium and remove ads. So why not do that?

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People will always rationalize their not paying. Tracking, ethics, whatever. Anything other than abstaining from use, lol.

I'd gladly not use YouTube if the creators uploaded their videos somewhere else.

Plenty of creators upload their things both to YouTube and Nebula, and I choose Nebula for the ones that do. The app isn't perfect, but it gets the job done.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#294

Paying $1 to a creator earn them more than all the ads you would watch during your lifetime. Applies to websites also. But noone wants to pay.

I pay. People pay, stop saying no one wants to pay, it's wrong. One example that comes in mind is Wikipedia: no ads, people pay.

Google and other companies that use Wikipedia pay a lot more than "people".

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#295

Paying $1 to a creator earn them more than all the ads you would watch during your lifetime. Applies to websites also. But noone wants to pay.

That's just plain lie.

There is A LOT o f creators supported by pure money donations from individual creators, or mostly by those. A lot of them support themselves by selling merch. Which is nothing new, as nowadays a lot of small/medium size bands live of selling merch.

When a major Polish radio, legendary 3rd national radio channel, went to shit after several decades (fired important staff and dummed down offer) people literally crowdfunded a full successor, with same famous presenters and so on. When that one started to push weird agenda to much and diverged from original goals... There was another one crowdfunded, pulled a lot of other major famous personell, and runs as a huge project successfully from Patreon donations.

These examples are not even unique.

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> that no other piped/invidious client has, If I understand what you are saying, Piped has this. For example I can stream from instance-1.com but at the same time I'm logged into instance-2.com so that I can keep my favourites and settings. See "Instance" section here https://piped.video/preferences particularly the option "Use a different instance for authentication"

Currently, I think for many users Piped is completely unusable due to errors that consistently occur preventing the video from loading.

In my case at least, I can solve this by changing instance in the settings, as explained in my previous comment. Based on my experience, it seems that the less popular instances tend to have less frequent errors. Your mileage may vary though.

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So if a store is trying to sell products, and you try to steal them, you are both cheating?

This a a very different situation. Stores are selling products or services, and they explicitly put prices on the products. Content available freely online is much different, as there is no price and at best the hope is that the consumer sees an ad or sponsorship and that the content creator has accurate analytics as to how many saw the ads. Your analogy would be more akin to someone stealing access to paywalled cont…

Video streaming sites have a cost to create.

The price is ads or paying for a paid service like YouTube premium.

So you're still stealing, you just convince yourself it's ok, and that's fine.

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This a a very different situation. Stores are selling products or services, and they explicitly put prices on the products. Content available freely online is much different, as there is no price and at best the hope is that the consumer sees an ad or sponsorship and that the content creator has accurate analytics as to how many saw the ads. Your analogy would be more akin to someone stealing access to paywalled cont…

Video streaming sites have a cost to create. The price is ads or paying for a paid service like YouTube premium. So you're still stealing, you just convince yourself it's ok, and that's fine.

I'm not saying that ad blocking isn't stealing, there could be a case for that especially if T&Cs specifically require that ads aren't skipped, blocked, or avoided.

My only point there was that shoplifting and ad blocking are very different things. Stores don't make their products freely available to anyone willing to walk past enough ads along the way.

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It’s surprising how many people in the comments don’t want adverts, don’t want sponsorship AND don’t want to pay anything for content.

Isn't that... Bit selfish?

Also, let's start a competing service. How to pay for... Bandwidth alone? Forget about talented engineers or anything else.

Maybe it's a strong word but choking the revenue stream but still getting the fruits of it - there's another word for it.

One way to choke the revenue stream would be not to watch at all.

I don't pay for YouTube but it's the most useful web property. Arguably alongside Wikipedia.

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