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Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

rglullis wrote: post #44
judge2020 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it with the disdain for paying for services people use? People often don't feel like paying for it even if they use YouTube more than other streaming services combined. Maybe the issue is that people got so used to a decade of unlimited high-quality videos for absolutely free?

I don't mind paying for services. I mind paying to get the privilege my data exploited. I mind paying to a company that use its infinite bags of money to outspend any competition unfairly. I mind paying after getting blackmailed to accept a new deal when they made sure they left no other choice in the market. I mind paying for a service that is optimized for "engagement" instead of my own well-being. I mind paying to…

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And I mind that paying forces me to give my credit card to a companies that have proven to work against me.

I mind that google will take over my entire phone if I connect to any service with a google account because I paid for it and not just login to that single service.

I mind that it will collect all that data if I don't have an adblocker anyway, just not show me ad, and then give it to gov entities (see PRISM).

What I don't mind is paying. I pay for spotify, for neflix, for dynalist, for kagi, for chatgpt, for codepilot, for github...

But I do mind that many people like you on HN accuses us of being dishonest.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by endisneigh »

judge2020 wrote: post #30
tux3 wrote: post #17

If the war on ablockers continues things may escalate, and the next step will soon mean deploying stronger DRM, in the same way that was tried in the fight against piracy. There's a real parallel between the two. Streaming killed piracy for a while because the service was easy and convenient, with everything in one place. Then, streaming added more and more ads all while it became more fragmented. Now if you pay for…

What is it with the disdain for paying for services people use? People often don't feel like paying for it even if they use YouTube more than other streaming services combined. Maybe the issue is that people got so used to a decade of unlimited high-quality videos for absolutely free?

People will always rationalize their not paying. Tracking, ethics, whatever. Anything other than abstaining from use, lol.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by radicality »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #35
judge2020 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it with the disdain for paying for services people use? People often don't feel like paying for it even if they use YouTube more than other streaming services combined. Maybe the issue is that people got so used to a decade of unlimited high-quality videos for absolutely free?

It's not disdain for paying. Netflix proved that. It's disdain for getting nickel and dimed and fleeced and losing access without warning.

What I do have a disdain for with Netflix, is paying for the version with 4k access and then struggling to actually get the service I paid for.

Around two years ago I wanted to watch Squid Game on my MacBook Pro + external 4k monitor, and iirc still couldn’t get it working in 4k after various yak shaving. Perhaps it’s now supported, but it felt pretty ridiculous to me that I can’t even access the full service I’m paying for.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by davkan »

k8sToGo wrote: post #38
judge2020 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it with the disdain for paying for services people use? People often don't feel like paying for it even if they use YouTube more than other streaming services combined. Maybe the issue is that people got so used to a decade of unlimited high-quality videos for absolutely free?

I don’t mind paying. I do mind paying $15 and then see still ads (Thanks to NordVPN for sponsoring this comment). Plus the algorithm keeps getting worse and worse. I’d prefer to pay like $5. I don’t need YouTube music.

$5/mo without YouTube Music would be an easy buy for me. I’d gladly pay that to support creators, remove ads on my tv, and to stop having to sideload uyou+ on my phone. I have zero interest in YouTube music as Apple Music has great offline support on the watch for my backcountry rides.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by jack_pp »

alkonaut wrote: post #60
vbezhenar wrote: post #19

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The end game is encrypted DRM stream (which is decrypted in the display) with encoded ads (so you can't block it tinkering with JS). I guess that only abundance of devices without DRM is stopping this scenario.

How are the ads even skippable on YouTube? I have never really had a good answer to that. I mean, why is the ad even a different stream or detectable on the client? Shouldn't the ads just be spliced into the videos if you really want to make sure people watch them? Is it because it would be prohibitively expensive to do that kind of live encoding for each viewer?

You wouldn't even need live encoding because every YouTube video is normalized and if you have two streams that were encoded with the same parameters you can cut and concatenate without re encoding

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by ndriscoll »

micw wrote: post #45
DrNosferatu wrote: post #12

Also, checkout NewPipe with built in SponsorBlock functionality: https://github.com/polymorphicshade/NewPipe

Honestly, I do not understand why one should use this. I have recently seen some high quality YT videos, each of a length of 30-60 minutes. In those videos where some sponsors mentioned which took only one or two minutes. Seems perfectly OK for me to support the creators. I guess if many people block sponsor content, this kind of vids will die.

I see two scenarios:

1. The computer doesn't know whether you skipped the ad, and won't feel bad when you do.

2. The computer does track whether you watch the ad segment, and that information makes it back to the advertiser. Personally, I wouldn't want to support "creators" spying on me in this way.

In either case, the creator has no costs for you watching, and youtube has lower costs if you skip the sponsored segment. If you choose not to watch the video in the first place, it can only hurt their sponsorship.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by meindnoch »

alkonaut wrote: post #60
vbezhenar wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The end game is encrypted DRM stream (which is decrypted in the display) with encoded ads (so you can't block it tinkering with JS). I guess that only abundance of devices without DRM is stopping this scenario.

How are the ads even skippable on YouTube? I have never really had a good answer to that. I mean, why is the ad even a different stream or detectable on the client? Shouldn't the ads just be spliced into the videos if you really want to make sure people watch them? Is it because it would be prohibitively expensive to do that kind of live encoding for each viewer?

Because you could just seek over them?

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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Post by [deleted] »

tux3 wrote: post #17

If the war on ablockers continues things may escalate, and the next step will soon mean deploying stronger DRM, in the same way that was tried in the fight against piracy. There's a real parallel between the two. Streaming killed piracy for a while because the service was easy and convenient, with everything in one place. Then, streaming added more and more ads all while it became more fragmented. Now if you pay for…

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