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Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it with the disdain for paying for services people use? People often don't feel like paying for it even if they use YouTube more than other streaming services combined. Maybe the issue is that people got so used to a decade of unlimited high-quality videos for absolutely free?

I don’t mind paying. I do mind paying $15 and then see still ads (Thanks to NordVPN for sponsoring this comment). Plus the algorithm keeps getting worse and worse. I’d prefer to pay like $5. I don’t need YouTube music.

The hilarious thing about all the VPN ads is that they are collecting all the same tracking information as Google and Facebook and aren’t even protecting you from that existing tracking.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#52
post #42

I can't find a source which has all the financial figures for YouTube, but YouTube had a gross revenue of 29 bn USD in 2022. Alphabet had 55 bn USD in net income in 2022 of which how much was YouTube's share in the net income is unknown (or at least I couldn't find it). Let's use some assumptions to get to a number. 1. Let's assume that out of the 29 bn USD revenue that YouTube brings in 55% is shared with creators.…

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Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#53
post #17

If the war on ablockers continues things may escalate, and the next step will soon mean deploying stronger DRM, in the same way that was tried in the fight against piracy. There's a real parallel between the two. Streaming killed piracy for a while because the service was easy and convenient, with everything in one place. Then, streaming added more and more ads all while it became more fragmented. Now if you pay for…

What is it with the disdain for paying for services people use? People often don't feel like paying for it even if they use YouTube more than other streaming services combined. Maybe the issue is that people got so used to a decade of unlimited high-quality videos for absolutely free?

Digital media can be copied infinitely for free. Thus delivering any benefit to infinite consumers. Thus multiplying that benefit infinitely.

They want to choke that? May as well tell the wind to stop blowing.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#54
post #42

I can't find a source which has all the financial figures for YouTube, but YouTube had a gross revenue of 29 bn USD in 2022. Alphabet had 55 bn USD in net income in 2022 of which how much was YouTube's share in the net income is unknown (or at least I couldn't find it). Let's use some assumptions to get to a number. 1. Let's assume that out of the 29 bn USD revenue that YouTube brings in 55% is shared with creators.…

I wonder if a torrent style equivalent for bandwidth sharing for things like YouTube content creators could work. Like you get ads unless you seed enough and then no ads when you consume.

I think it'd only work as a near seamless ui experience and not actually using torrents or any extra setup or complications. Probably branded a bit differently.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#55
post #17

If the war on ablockers continues things may escalate, and the next step will soon mean deploying stronger DRM, in the same way that was tried in the fight against piracy. There's a real parallel between the two. Streaming killed piracy for a while because the service was easy and convenient, with everything in one place. Then, streaming added more and more ads all while it became more fragmented. Now if you pay for…

What is it with the disdain for paying for services people use? People often don't feel like paying for it even if they use YouTube more than other streaming services combined. Maybe the issue is that people got so used to a decade of unlimited high-quality videos for absolutely free?

Lack of trust. Google will find ways to enshittify YouTube even if you pay for it.

I spend a lot of money at Bandcamp because in exchange I get bits that I do what I want with. For some reason that's not as popular for video, but it would solve this issue pretty well.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#56
post #46
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t mind paying. I do mind paying $15 and then see still ads (Thanks to NordVPN for sponsoring this comment). Plus the algorithm keeps getting worse and worse. I’d prefer to pay like $5. I don’t need YouTube music.

Sponsorblock is 95%+ effective against these

Whole point of youtube premium is getting rid of ads on mobile/tvs

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#57
post #42

I can't find a source which has all the financial figures for YouTube, but YouTube had a gross revenue of 29 bn USD in 2022. Alphabet had 55 bn USD in net income in 2022 of which how much was YouTube's share in the net income is unknown (or at least I couldn't find it). Let's use some assumptions to get to a number. 1. Let's assume that out of the 29 bn USD revenue that YouTube brings in 55% is shared with creators.…

I wonder if a torrent style equivalent for bandwidth sharing for things like YouTube content creators could work. Like you get ads unless you seed enough and then no ads when you consume. I think it'd only work as a near seamless ui experience and not actually using torrents or any extra setup or complications. Probably branded a bit differently.

Bandwidth costs money, YouTube can probably do it cheaper than end users at scale. But this isn’t about reduced bandwidth expenses, this is about maximising profit extraction.

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#58
post #17

If the war on ablockers continues things may escalate, and the next step will soon mean deploying stronger DRM, in the same way that was tried in the fight against piracy. There's a real parallel between the two. Streaming killed piracy for a while because the service was easy and convenient, with everything in one place. Then, streaming added more and more ads all while it became more fragmented. Now if you pay for…

What is it with the disdain for paying for services people use? People often don't feel like paying for it even if they use YouTube more than other streaming services combined. Maybe the issue is that people got so used to a decade of unlimited high-quality videos for absolutely free?

I have zero issues with paying in general.

What I don't see, is me paying for the worse service.

Youtube Premium is 12.99€ a month for me. For that small price I get to create a Google Account, accept their TOS, let them track and profile me, keep logging in everywhere (because I delete all local storage in the browser routinely) and replace the small and efficient NewPipe with the Youtube app. Futhermore I cannot download a video now and play it next month without connecting to the internet, or move it to my small dedicated video player that doesn't even have connection to the internet.

What is Googles CPM (revenue per 1000 clicks)? I don't think it comes down to more the a low cent amount. I do not watch enough video to justify the price of premium and I will never watch ads, because those are psychological warfare and completely underregulated...

If Google and all the others make a nice micro payment platform for the browser, which work anonymously and without much hassle, I will by all means pay them the amount of money which me watching the ads would have generated plus 10% service fee since they build the platform.

But not like this!

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#59
post #45

Also, checkout NewPipe with built in SponsorBlock functionality: https://github.com/polymorphicshade/NewPipe

Honestly, I do not understand why one should use this. I have recently seen some high quality YT videos, each of a length of 30-60 minutes. In those videos where some sponsors mentioned which took only one or two minutes. Seems perfectly OK for me to support the creators. I guess if many people block sponsor content, this kind of vids will die.

So what are we paying premium for if the creator pushes their own ads? Anyhow, when I was watching TV year's ago, I hardly ever stayed on a channel during the ads break. I won't sacrifice my time being sold on mostly rubbish which I wouldn't buy anyway (vpn, brilliant etc.)

Re: NewPipe – Lightweight YouTube experience for Android

#60
post #17

If the war on ablockers continues things may escalate, and the next step will soon mean deploying stronger DRM, in the same way that was tried in the fight against piracy. There's a real parallel between the two. Streaming killed piracy for a while because the service was easy and convenient, with everything in one place. Then, streaming added more and more ads all while it became more fragmented. Now if you pay for…

The end game is encrypted DRM stream (which is decrypted in the display) with encoded ads (so you can't block it tinkering with JS). I guess that only abundance of devices without DRM is stopping this scenario.

How are the ads even skippable on YouTube? I have never really had a good answer to that. I mean, why is the ad even a different stream or detectable on the client? Shouldn't the ads just be spliced into the videos if you really want to make sure people watch them? Is it because it would be prohibitively expensive to do that kind of live encoding for each viewer?
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