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People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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quickthrower2 wrote: post #224
epivosism wrote: post #202

bystander effect is not valid in the first place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect#Counter_examp... even wikipedia has updated saying Counter example In 2019, a large international cultural anthropology study analyzed 219 street disputes and confrontations that were recorded by security cameras in three cities in different countries—Lancaster, Amsterdam, and Cape Town. Contrary to bystander theory, the s…

Maybe the knowledge of the bystander effect makes people consciously avoid it. Plus all those set-up shows where they get people to do "off" shit and see how people react.

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by hkt »

raffraffraff wrote: post #345
hkt wrote: post #313

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My son is 7 and nonverbal, as in your example, and I share much the same problem with the widening of the definition of autism. My partner - a successful academic - is also autistic, in the manner of your other examples. As with any term that has become too wide to be useful, it needs subdividing. There used to be autism and aspergers, high functioning autism and low functioning autism, etc. Each classification had i…

I absolutely agree with you about where the dividing line is. Your experience reminds me of an article my wife read out to me a while back. It was written by a guy who has an autism diagnosis. He brother is also autistic, but low functioning. And likewise he said that it's hurting his brother that there are thousands of people out there claiming to be autistic, whose symptoms are little more debilitating than social…

It depends on the charity. Autism UK provides advice and support as well as helping coordinate groups of carers, undertaking advocacy, etc. It is another one of the areas in which social care funding is lacking.

In any case, it really isn't right not to differentiate. Refusing to do so fails the people who need a voice most of all.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

mjburgess wrote: post #361
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #356

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One wonders if you also rail at the authoritarian nature of stoplights. At that on one particular 4-way with that one particular car with that one particular driver, they successfully ran a red light without causing an accident, therefore, we should all just ignore stop lights because they're an authoritarian construct designed to cow us into submission. Or perhaps it's those authoritarian posters telling young peopl…

Sure, conventions that create shelling points to enable coordination on roads are the same as preventing dogs from running around in parks -- the things dogs want to do by nature, in the nature-based parts of cities. Perhaps it's my inclination against speciesism, and my seeing people much closer to dogs than not -- but I think the regulation of the behaviour of animals, against their natures, is a moral matter. A co…

what I'm hearing you say is that you believe young people should be engaged in unprotected sex.

That has life-changing consequences, and yet here you are waxing on about the morality of placing a leash on a dog.

Are you sure the issue isn't that you dislike people?

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

deadbeeves wrote: post #367
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #357

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> If you want to go outside, there is a non-zero chance that you'll be mauled by a dog without a leash. That risk lessens significantly if dogs are mandated to be leashed. unleashed dogs are regularly picked up by the city and if they're not claimed by someone w/i a specific amount of time, they're euthanised. This isn't actually helping your case.

Dogs are already mandated to be leashed. That doesn't mean they will be leashed. That's my point.

perfect is the enemy of good.

We shouldn't outlaw murder because some people will murder anyway. We shouldn't outlaw rape because some people will rape anyway.

You have no leg to stand on here, you're grasping at straws.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

eightysixfour wrote: post #370
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #323

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watch and be amazed as I successfully do what you're implying can't be done. raping a 5 year old should be illegal and there is no grey there. Go on, explain to me why I'm wrong.

That… isn’t what I said can’t be done. In fact it is the opposite. I said that we should not empower people to decide when laws are and aren’t applicable, because what they judge as applicable may not be the same as what others judge as applicable. That’s the whole point. Black and white laws are black and white, you can’t just decide stop signs don’t apply to you because you are a safe driver. You can’t just decide…

you can, however, decide that the rape of child is wrong and intervene.

I don't have to be "beyond reproach" to conclude this.

your problem is trying to apply one to the other, it's an equivalency issue.

jaywalking is not equivalent to murder, and it never will be.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by lmm »

wkat4242 wrote: post #311
lmm wrote: post #237

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> this effect seems to be especially true in airports. they seem to particularly inspire dumb herd behaviour. perhaps there's an increase in perceived danger leading to a stronger desire for safety in numbers? There's an increase in potential negative consequences. More people with guns, more chance for "security" to pick on someone they don't like. If you go off on your own and you're right, you don't gain much - if…

> There's an increase in potential negative consequences. More people with guns, more chance for "security" to pick on someone they don't like. If you go off on your own and you're right, you don't gain much - if everyone gets on the wrong plane or goes through the wrong gate or what have you, there's not much they can do. If you go off on your own and you're wrong, you might get beaten up, kicked off your flight, he…

I'm European. Even pre-9/11 you'd get stopped and made to leave for saying the wrong thing. Post- we've got a guy getting jailed (famously the first person jailed for an act without criminal intent, because apparently airports get an exception from basic protections) because he went for a smoke and some people were scared of his luggage, and the person getting held without charge and without any water was also my country.

> But beaten up because you walk around in the wrong public area of an airport??

Sure, but if you take a wrong turn you're suddenly in the private area, and even if there weren't any signs, well, why did you wander off on your own, no-one else did.

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

grotted wrote: post #359
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #238

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You’re arguing that feeling like everyone (or neurotypical people) is mentally disabled is not an example of superiority complex, right?

You’re arguing that feeling like everyone (or neurodivergent people) is mentally disabled is not an example of superiority complex, right?

What? Of course not.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by eightysixfour »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #375
eightysixfour wrote: post #370

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That… isn’t what I said can’t be done. In fact it is the opposite. I said that we should not empower people to decide when laws are and aren’t applicable, because what they judge as applicable may not be the same as what others judge as applicable. That’s the whole point. Black and white laws are black and white, you can’t just decide stop signs don’t apply to you because you are a safe driver. You can’t just decide…

you can, however, decide that the rape of child is wrong and intervene. I don't have to be "beyond reproach" to conclude this. your problem is trying to apply one to the other, it's an equivalency issue. jaywalking is not equivalent to murder, and it never will be.

> you can, however, decide that the rape of child is wrong and intervene

I don’t know why you are latching on to this scenario when it aligns with my point. It is illegal to rape a child, you are agreeing with me. This is black and white.

Now, there is some person out there who thinks this is okay, are they allowed to judge this is okay, break the law, and do it because in they judged the child is mature? No. Okay. We agree.

That same exact reasoning applies to other laws that we, as a society, have deemed necessary for public life. Because you don’t get to judge those laws as inapplicable. If you do not like them you can try and have them changed or you can leave to a place that has different laws.

Where I live it is illegal to have a dog off leash in public places, this law exists for a reason. People should not decide the law doesn’t apply to them because they “discern” their dog is not a threat. If someone cant accept that law, they need to move somewhere where they can have the lifestyle with their pet that they want.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #238
grotted wrote: post #184

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What you call a "superiority complex" is the exact attitude neurodivergent people face constantly

You’re arguing that feeling like everyone (or neurotypical people) is mentally disabled is not an example of superiority complex, right?

It's an account of reality, it may be wrong, but so far it looks like that.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

mtreis86 wrote: post #44
Podgajski wrote: post #10

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Hi, I posted this study because I have Asperger’s and this is what was always said about my behavior. Yesterday I literally had to stop myself from sending photographs to the police of a guy walking his dog off leash in a park that has signs forbidding it. And my reason for wanting to call the police is because of my compassion for the dog or for anyone the dog to hurt. Not so much that it was only that the man was d…

I've never had a loose dog try to attack me. Plenty of dogs on leashes have lunged tho. So I treat the leash status as a signal of how much the owner trusts the dog to behave.

Of all dogs I met, only a police dog was disciplined (german shepherd), all others were unhinged (all sizes).
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