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People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by deadbeeves »

InSteady wrote: post #322
deadbeeves wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying they shouldn't live, I'm saying that if off-leash dogs scare you and you don't want to be scared, you shouldn't be outside. Even if every last dog owner kept their dog on a leash at all times, there would still be some dogs without a leash, and all of them would be outside your house. I assume any person would understand that by the time they reach adulthood and either learn to deal with the fact that…

Telling people who have different life experiences and tolerances for risk than you to "stop going outside" is childish, my dude. You seem to struggle with accepting the reality of this person's differing worldview. Maybe take a step back and realize that it's perfectly ok when people disagree with you about stuff on the internet.

I struggle to understand how an adult does not realize that leading a normal life requires taking in some amount of risk, unless the person has some kind of learning difficulty. If you want to go outside, there is a non-zero chance that you'll be mauled by a dog without a leash. There's a much greater chance that you'll be involved in a car accident, and cars are policed much more strictly than dog leashes, not to mention that violations are punished much more severely.

>Maybe take a step back and realize that it's perfectly ok when people disagree with you about stuff on the internet.

Exactly what of what I said implies that I have a problem with disagreeing with people? All I said was "if you do these two things, your behavior is incongruous". That's as politely as I can disagree with someone. Maybe your problem is that I said anything at all, in which case I think you're the one who has a problem with disagreement.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by deadbeeves »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #285
deadbeeves wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying they shouldn't live, I'm saying that if off-leash dogs scare you and you don't want to be scared, you shouldn't be outside. Even if every last dog owner kept their dog on a leash at all times, there would still be some dogs without a leash, and all of them would be outside your house. I assume any person would understand that by the time they reach adulthood and either learn to deal with the fact that…

you've never actually been threatened by a dog off a leash have you?

Not that I can remember. Therefore...? What's your point?

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by raffraffraff »

Kiuhrly1 wrote: post #303
raffraffraff wrote: post #292

I'm not even sure what passes for "autism" these days. Back in the late 90s I helped out at a tiny charity that helped out family's of severely disabled kids. They would be utterly dependent on their parents for everything and needed constant supervision. Almost all were non-verbal. Due to the fact that many of them had genetic conditions, they had a bunch of health problems and also looked different to other kids th…

> Fast forward to this century. I've had full conversations with successful people, who announce that they're autistic. People often change a lot over the years. I know people who had serious difficulties as a child who now function "normally" within society.

Same. In fact I know one girl who was mute for her first 3 years. She won't shut up now. I'm dead serious.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by jxramos »

InSteady wrote: post #242
epivosism wrote: post #202

bystander effect is not valid in the first place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect#Counter_examp... even wikipedia has updated saying Counter example In 2019, a large international cultural anthropology study analyzed 219 street disputes and confrontations that were recorded by security cameras in three cities in different countries—Lancaster, Amsterdam, and Cape Town. Contrary to bystander theory, the s…

If I'm reading the statistics in the study correctly [0], most of these 80 incidents (70%) were pulled from CCTV footage at a "night time drinking setting." Groups of 18 people on average standing around bars, presumably outside. In 20% of cases someone de-escalated, 5% of the time a bystander joined in to escalate the violent encounter, and 4% it was a mix of escalation/de-escalation. Presumably the rest of the time…

I think people realize too the bar scene attracts shady characters who may retaliate and drag you into an escalating drama you don't want to stick around and find out and have to start dodging bullets or knifes or something outrageous.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by raffraffraff »

hkt wrote: post #313
raffraffraff wrote: post #292

I'm not even sure what passes for "autism" these days. Back in the late 90s I helped out at a tiny charity that helped out family's of severely disabled kids. They would be utterly dependent on their parents for everything and needed constant supervision. Almost all were non-verbal. Due to the fact that many of them had genetic conditions, they had a bunch of health problems and also looked different to other kids th…

My son is 7 and nonverbal, as in your example, and I share much the same problem with the widening of the definition of autism. My partner - a successful academic - is also autistic, in the manner of your other examples. As with any term that has become too wide to be useful, it needs subdividing. There used to be autism and aspergers, high functioning autism and low functioning autism, etc. Each classification had i…

I absolutely agree with you about where the dividing line is. Your experience reminds me of an article my wife read out to me a while back. It was written by a guy who has an autism diagnosis. He brother is also autistic, but low functioning. And likewise he said that it's hurting his brother that there are thousands of people out there claiming to be autistic, whose symptoms are little more debilitating than social anxiety. It causes people to disregard the condition and underestimate the huge effort that families have to put in to care for an autistic child. Similarly, charities that accept donations for autism... Who gets that? The author of the piece that my wife read, said that he needs nothing, but his brother needs constant care.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by xwdv »

Frivolous9421 wrote: post #247
fsckboy wrote: post #218

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> The reason becomes apparent when you take a carry on bag your unreason will become apparent when you check that bag and stroll completely unencumbered through the vast distances twixt curb and plane (x2 departure and arrival) baggage claim really doesn't take that long, and you can come up with something zen to do for 5 or 10 minutes, make a phone call or two, talk to family or friends. Life is better when you stop…

I agreed until I lost thousands of dollars of shit in a checked bag TWICE in one lifetime

The crazy thing is, the chance of someone dying is about the same as the chances of you losing your checked bags.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by MacsHeadroom »

mjburgess wrote: post #319
Podgajski wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am the OP. It was about dogs.

'this' refers to my position. As far as the topic goes, the topic is about how emotional disregulation in autistic people can lead to feelings of injustice and concequentially hostile behaviour. Dogs and their owners are just an illustrative case.

As an autistic person, your sense of (in)justice matches mine. I see no greater injustice than the oppression of arbitrary authority (e.g. dog leashing signs); and no worse person than those who perpetuate it.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by mjburgess »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #321
mjburgess wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have elsewhere defended 'whataboutism' as just another way of asking a person to answer for moral hypocrisy. Some people clearly want to walk their dogs without leashes. Some people want all dogs leashed. Now, what's the moral standard at work? How do you determine the level of danger? If you want to constrain people, limit their ability to lives their lives as they wish, you need to have an answer you can defend w…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_t... > Was babysitting a family members Pit Bull mix. Her family believes the fatal attack occurred while attempting to stop a fight between the Pit Bull and her 2 Chihuahuas. ... > Bitten by the family dog while playing outside with adult supervision, later died in hospital. ... > Was at home to check on his daughters dogs when they attacked him. ... > A 6-y…

If you think that's a reply to me, you havent understood my point. I am well aware of such situations.

The question is whether a particular person, in a particular park, on a particular day, with a particular dog is causing that situation. It is an absurd level of paranoia to suppose they are.

Dogs kill people. People kill people. Everything is harmful to someone at somepoint.

The question is whether we should go around replaying 6olds dying by dogs in our heads when we're wandering around in a park.

I think we shouldnt. And it is a moral and psychological sickness to do so.

That you're still only able to evaluate my position in terms of the saftey of dogs tells me you have not understood it and are making no efforts to.

It seems like you're arguing in bad faith, perhaps because you usually deal with people you can brow-beat into losing arguments by appealing to extreme cases.

You can point to all the murdered children you want; that isn't going to work with me. I'm not an idiot.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

deadbeeves wrote: post #342
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you've never actually been threatened by a dog off a leash have you?

Not that I can remember. Therefore...? What's your point?

knowing vs understanding.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by ahazred8ta »

raffraffraff wrote: post #292

I'm not even sure what passes for "autism" these days. Back in the late 90s I helped out at a tiny charity that helped out family's of severely disabled kids. They would be utterly dependent on their parents for everything and needed constant supervision. Almost all were non-verbal. Due to the fact that many of them had genetic conditions, they had a bunch of health problems and also looked different to other kids th…

Well, they've recently identified several brain structural abnormalities which have slightly different symptom patterns, all of which fit within a generalized 'autism' diagnosis. They're hoping this will lead to individualized treatment.

https://news.weill.cornell.edu/news/2023/04/four-different-a...

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