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Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by viraptor »

FroshKiller wrote: post #7
jlangenauer wrote: post #2

I see we're going from "UI changes, the cause or reason of which we don't know" to "geopolitics" without considering any of the obvious alternative explanations. If China decides (and no-one is saying that it has) that it no longer recognizes Israel, then it will simply announce that, and not get a private company to make subtle UI changes to reflect a secret policy instead.

Not that I agree with the tweet's conclusion, but pray share one of the obvious alternative explanations.

Changes in that area, resulting in broken database entries and skipping the country entry/label. People break stuff all the time. Let's see if it stays missing for more than a couple of days...

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by mcphage »

ReptileMan wrote: post #27
teekert wrote: post #3

I don't understand this. China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. Why would this happen? I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject but it looks to me like some mistake or bug? Or just "when a country's name is displayed at when zoom level compared to the size and shape of said country"?

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know All of the stans seem to get quite well with China, they are buddies with Iran and the Gulf and they make major investments in the green crescent in africa. They also get well with Malaysia. That is quite pro muslim. The only muslims they have problems with are the one inside their borders. So less than 1% of the total muslims in the world.

> The only muslims they have problems with are the one inside their borders.

That's very much not pro-muslim, then.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by hackerlight »

0dayz wrote: post #28
ReptileMan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

As Palestinians are technically Semitic people, the right is also antisemitic. :^)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_(linguistics)

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by jowea »

justinclift wrote: post #26
sofixa wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to be pro-Muslim to disagree with Israel's genocide or anti-Miuslim to disagree with Hamas' terrorist acts. Also, it could easily be just opting to not display any disputed borders, which Israel has multiple of (Gaza, West Bank, Golan).

> it could easily be just opting to not display any disputed borders Aren't the majority of China's maritime borders disputed?

I think it's mostly the ones on the South China Sea. And you don't display disputed borders when you want to be neutral. Baidu can just show the official border according to the PRC.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by viraptor »

persnickety wrote: post #48
viraptor wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're near a border you typically don't want to get your car ride routed over 2 border crossings just because it's the shortest path. Skipping the borders is definitely not a "better off" situation.

When we're borderless, there's no border for your car to cross.

Yandex removing displayed borders doesn't move us in any way closer to borderless world in reality. No country is seriously considering it. It's not a canary for anything - they stopped displaying borders exactly because countries/people care about those a lot.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by vasdae »

ReptileMan wrote: post #21
logicchains wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

By right-leaning I guess you mean neocon. I am right-leaning myself and my point of view is that we shouldn't interfere and that if both countries disappear it may be for the best.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

persnickety wrote: post #48
viraptor wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're near a border you typically don't want to get your car ride routed over 2 border crossings just because it's the shortest path. Skipping the borders is definitely not a "better off" situation.

When we're borderless, there's no border for your car to cross.

A nice fantasy, but something tells me a borderless reality is not in our near term or distant future. Maybe by the time Star Trek is more fact than fiction

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by agent327 »

persnickety wrote: post #48
viraptor wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're near a border you typically don't want to get your car ride routed over 2 border crossings just because it's the shortest path. Skipping the borders is definitely not a "better off" situation.

When we're borderless, there's no border for your car to cross.

How will you know which laws apply?

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by persnickety »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #38
persnickety wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We'll all be better off by shifting to a borderless paradigm. Yandex is just a canary in the coal mine.

I mean, depends on use case right? Certainly for travel and navigation purposes I very much want to know when I'm about to leave a country :-). For any economical or political review as well, country birders are extremely relevant data. There certainly are geology and other scientific endeavours which perhaps don't care too much for countries, but even they probably need them when they interface with regular humans (…

Tourist endeavors really care about borders for 2 aspects: as barriers, and as places where legal or social rules change. If administrative borders had their powers limited to, say, statistical purposes, and not social obstacles, a tourist would stop caring about them.

Interfacing with humans does not necessarily have to be done along social borders. I'm sure it wasn't that way before the rise of the nation-state. Everyone knows where the Alps are, or where the Great Lakes are. Pretty much every place on Earth is covered by some geographical-not-political area name. Why shouldn't places be referred to in that way? It's harder to politically push for a change in the definition of the Gobi Desert than of an arbitrary administrative unit.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by fredoliveira »

vasdae wrote: post #56
ReptileMan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

By right-leaning I guess you mean neocon. I am right-leaning myself and my point of view is that we shouldn't interfere and that if both countries disappear it may be for the best.

> that if both countries disappear it may be for the best.

Quoting in hopes that you read your own words and think about them a bit longer.

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