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Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by ReptileMan »

logicchains wrote: post #11
teekert wrote: post #3

I don't understand this. China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. Why would this happen? I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject but it looks to me like some mistake or bug? Or just "when a country's name is displayed at when zoom level compared to the size and shape of said country"?

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by timeon »

teekert wrote: post #10
sofixa wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to be pro-Muslim to disagree with Israel's genocide or anti-Miuslim to disagree with Hamas' terrorist acts. Also, it could easily be just opting to not display any disputed borders, which Israel has multiple of (Gaza, West Bank, Golan).

With "not exactly pro-muslim" I mean they have their own share of anti-muslim history and this does not rhyme with that. As said, I'm not knowledgeable on the subject but would like to learn.

Trying to find patterns of ideological consistency in geopolitics is probably not useful approach.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by hartator »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #17
krislei wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about religion anymore. It's Russia, Iran, China and friends against all democracies.

You should include Israel and Hamas in that list if you value morality, Israel chose to act like Russia in worse, Hamas chose to fully embrace their terrorist role instead of advocating for peace

Yes, both sides are super bad.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by tazjin »

jlangenauer wrote: post #2

I see we're going from "UI changes, the cause or reason of which we don't know" to "geopolitics" without considering any of the obvious alternative explanations. If China decides (and no-one is saying that it has) that it no longer recognizes Israel, then it will simply announce that, and not get a private company to make subtle UI changes to reflect a secret policy instead.

Reminds me of the problems with contested borders, which e.g. Yandex runs into because they operate in Western and non-Western jurisdictions. They ended up just removing all national borders from the maps for this reason, which has made the UX worse, especially for international trip planning.

Google (used to?) opts for a different approach where some borders are drawn based on where they geolocated you to.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by logicchains »

ReptileMan wrote: post #21
logicchains wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

Did you read the article?

>"It's really the fault of Little Mustache," wrote a netizen. "If he had burned all of them (Jews), we wouldn't have this much trouble."

Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by justinclift »

sofixa wrote: post #8
teekert wrote: post #3

I don't understand this. China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. Why would this happen? I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject but it looks to me like some mistake or bug? Or just "when a country's name is displayed at when zoom level compared to the size and shape of said country"?

You don't have to be pro-Muslim to disagree with Israel's genocide or anti-Miuslim to disagree with Hamas' terrorist acts. Also, it could easily be just opting to not display any disputed borders, which Israel has multiple of (Gaza, West Bank, Golan).

> it could easily be just opting to not display any disputed borders

Aren't the majority of China's maritime borders disputed?

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by ReptileMan »

teekert wrote: post #3

I don't understand this. China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. Why would this happen? I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject but it looks to me like some mistake or bug? Or just "when a country's name is displayed at when zoom level compared to the size and shape of said country"?

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know

All of the stans seem to get quite well with China, they are buddies with Iran and the Gulf and they make major investments in the green crescent in africa. They also get well with Malaysia.

That is quite pro muslim. The only muslims they have problems with are the one inside their borders. So less than 1% of the total muslims in the world.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by 0dayz »

ReptileMan wrote: post #21
logicchains wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

As Palestinians are technically Semitic people, the right is also antisemitic. :^)

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by tazjin »

timeon wrote: post #19
coldtea wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the "lip-service to democracy" line from privileged (all the way to neo-colonial) powers. It's more like a handful of privileged countries behaving as if they own the world, and their client states (who the first have no problem if they're theocratic or dictatorships or brutal far right as long as they are their allies), against the developing world and any country with claims to sovereignity.

I wonder where would you put countries like Norway or Poland.

Norway is a US client state; Poland could become sovereign but they're too busy trying to annoy literally everyone doing any business with them from any side, for whatever reason.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by 0dayz »

coldtea wrote: post #12
krislei wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about religion anymore. It's Russia, Iran, China and friends against all democracies.

That's the "lip-service to democracy" line from privileged (all the way to neo-colonial) powers. It's more like a handful of privileged countries behaving as if they own the world, and their client states (who the first have no problem if they're theocratic or dictatorships or brutal far right as long as they are their allies), against the developing world and any country with claims to sovereignity.

Glad that you recognize China, Iran and Russia as privileged and spoiled countries.
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