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Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by ReptileMan »

logicchains wrote: post #25
ReptileMan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

Did you read the article? >"It's really the fault of Little Mustache," wrote a netizen. "If he had burned all of them (Jews), we wouldn't have this much trouble." Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly.

You haven't checked twitter after oct 7th. I have seen quite a lot of exactly that. Usually from "decolonizers"

So what I was wanting to say was that gab is not the best comparison specifically now specifically for antisemitism. Mainstream twitter is

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by persnickety »

tazjin wrote: post #24
jlangenauer wrote: post #2

I see we're going from "UI changes, the cause or reason of which we don't know" to "geopolitics" without considering any of the obvious alternative explanations. If China decides (and no-one is saying that it has) that it no longer recognizes Israel, then it will simply announce that, and not get a private company to make subtle UI changes to reflect a secret policy instead.

Reminds me of the problems with contested borders, which e.g. Yandex runs into because they operate in Western and non-Western jurisdictions. They ended up just removing all national borders from the maps for this reason, which has made the UX worse, especially for international trip planning. Google (used to?) opts for a different approach where some borders are drawn based on where they geolocated you to.

We'll all be better off by shifting to a borderless paradigm. Yandex is just a canary in the coal mine.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by hardware2win »

timeon wrote: post #19
coldtea wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the "lip-service to democracy" line from privileged (all the way to neo-colonial) powers. It's more like a handful of privileged countries behaving as if they own the world, and their client states (who the first have no problem if they're theocratic or dictatorships or brutal far right as long as they are their allies), against the developing world and any country with claims to sovereignity.

I wonder where would you put countries like Norway or Poland.

What do you mean? Whats wrong with them?

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by liveoneggs »

I don't see any country names on the map. When I type 'israel' into the search bar I get the same chinese characters that are being shown under Jerusalem (耶路撒冷) -- I don't ready or speak any chinese

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If I play with the zoom I see many small countries without labels (no idea what they say) -- cyprus, israel, and lebenon included

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by jwestbury »

ReptileMan wrote: post #21
logicchains wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

> The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals.

I'm curious what you're defining as antisemitic here. I've seen a lot of claims that being anti-Israeli-government is equivalent to antisemitism, but this is objectively not the case.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by hluska »

jlangenauer wrote: post #2

I see we're going from "UI changes, the cause or reason of which we don't know" to "geopolitics" without considering any of the obvious alternative explanations. If China decides (and no-one is saying that it has) that it no longer recognizes Israel, then it will simply announce that, and not get a private company to make subtle UI changes to reflect a secret policy instead.

The obvious alternative explanations?? Like they just randomly and accidentally decided to erase an entire state? Particularly an extremely contested state? Give me a break - you’re really not making a good argument.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by NikolaNovak »

persnickety wrote: post #32
tazjin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of the problems with contested borders, which e.g. Yandex runs into because they operate in Western and non-Western jurisdictions. They ended up just removing all national borders from the maps for this reason, which has made the UX worse, especially for international trip planning. Google (used to?) opts for a different approach where some borders are drawn based on where they geolocated you to.

We'll all be better off by shifting to a borderless paradigm. Yandex is just a canary in the coal mine.

I mean, depends on use case right? Certainly for travel and navigation purposes I very much want to know when I'm about to leave a country :-). For any economical or political review as well, country birders are extremely relevant data.

There certainly are geology and other scientific endeavours which perhaps don't care too much for countries, but even they probably need them when they interface with regular humans (I.e. This lake is in such and such country, this volcano is about to explode over there, etc)

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by Waterluvian »

jlangenauer wrote: post #2

I see we're going from "UI changes, the cause or reason of which we don't know" to "geopolitics" without considering any of the obvious alternative explanations. If China decides (and no-one is saying that it has) that it no longer recognizes Israel, then it will simply announce that, and not get a private company to make subtle UI changes to reflect a secret policy instead.

China publishes an official political map each year, which the companies must treat as canon. They also swapped a contested half-Russian island to being fully China. I think it’s a way to assert some politics at a lower volume.

I can’t say for sure this is that, but I can say for sure that there is tremendous political power in cartography and the simplest act of choosing the label levels for placenames. This move has been done countless times before so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it’s intentional.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by guiriduro »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #14
teekert wrote: post #3

I don't understand this. China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. Why would this happen? I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject but it looks to me like some mistake or bug? Or just "when a country's name is displayed at when zoom level compared to the size and shape of said country"?

> China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. A lot of countries use the Israel-Palestinian issue as a distraction from their own abuses of their Muslim populations.

And given the aparent tolerance shown towards the one in the ME, its easy for them to claim double standards when people complain about treatment of e.g. the Uygurs. Because, well, there are.
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