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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by matsemann »

edanm wrote: post #395
kingofpandora wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that an advisor to Natanyahu tweeted that the Al-Arabi Hospital was bombed by Israel because it was being used by Hamas. No, I'm not saying that the hospital was actually bombed by Israel; I'm saying that everything that Israel bombs is labelled with the "used by Hamas" tag as justification for what this really is. No one actually believes that all or even most of the buildings destroyed in this campaign was…

> No one actually believes that all or even most of the buildings destroyed in this campaign was "used by Hamas" if you are being honest with yourself. It's obviously collective punishment and revenge with a little bit of show ("we dropped leaflets" or "we sent warnings by SMS") for those who need it in order to go to bed at night. Sorry, no. I don't believe that. Granted, I'm Israeli, and have far more trust in the…

> But it really is true that Hamas uses human shields. It really is true that they place bases in places like hospitals.

Then don't fucking bomb it. You're defending war crimes and terrorism.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by matsemann »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #485
kingofpandora wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that an advisor to Natanyahu tweeted that the Al-Arabi Hospital was bombed by Israel because it was being used by Hamas. No, I'm not saying that the hospital was actually bombed by Israel; I'm saying that everything that Israel bombs is labelled with the "used by Hamas" tag as justification for what this really is. No one actually believes that all or even most of the buildings destroyed in this campaign was…

I believe that 99% of what they're bombing are known or very probably Hamas hot spots. They have no reason to kill regular Palestinians, but they are at war, and war is pretty fkng ugly. They have sat back for decades while Hamas lobbed rockets at them and then turn around and massacre 1400 people as if they were nothing. No I think this is pent-up and they are on a mission to end Hamas with prejudice, they are not o…

You've got this completely wrong. It's basically the opposite.

The Hamas terrorist attacks were the pent up thing. Israel's retaliation is war crimes, terrorism and absolutely inexcusable.

Don't blame the deaths of Palestinian children on Hamas. If Israel didn't want to kill innocents, they could just not bomb them for fucks sake.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by matsemann »

snird wrote: post #393
bluish29 wrote: post #7

Someday, people in the western countries will mourn the lives lost and wish they could help in time. Except this is the time. Not after the fact and a few remains. This is an occurring theme.

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This has to be the stupidest take on this situation I've read on this site.

You're seriously thinking Hamas is the big problem here? Of course their terror should be condemned, but it's nothing compared to what Israel is doing. How many children killed by Israel are you willing to ignore? You're delusional.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by matsemann »

petertodd wrote: post #19
_lvbh wrote: post #3

At this point, I think Gaza is pretty much doomed. There won’t be much left at the end of this special military operation.

It's estimated that Hamas has between 30,000 and 40,000 soldiers(1), which is about 6% to 8% of Gaza's entire adult male population. There's no way of getting around it: if Israel finishes the job of eradicating Hamas, a large percentage of the Gazan population will be killed or captured, purely because so many of them are actively involved in Hamas. Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they…

> Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future.

Are you seriously suggesting that the children killed are to be victim blamed, because they somehow didn't learn a lesson?

Is that some kind of coping mechanism to be able to sleep at night? Where you demonize the population to make it easier to grasp. Or are you just that evil that you actually think these children deserve this?

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by matsemann »

petertodd wrote: post #386
jacquesm wrote: post #323

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> That's a win for Israel. You need to get out of the mindset that there is a 'win' to be had here. The only thing that can be achieved is for either side to lose less, winning would require turning back the clock. More massacre is just going to prolong the conflict and ultimately will make it worse, possibly much worse. > The tens of thousands of Hamas members who planned and carried out the recent massacre are mons…

> This is how you spell 'genocide'. Ok, that's just silly. The legal definition of genocide(1) is actions, like violence, with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. The types of groups that are protected are intentionally limited. There are lots of types of groups that are clearly not protected in the legal definition of genocide. Hamas are a group of gen…

When you have to resort to semantics and definitions to defend your position, you should realize you're on the wrong side here.

I don't care if it's technically genocide or not: Killing civilians and children is inexcusable in my book, no matter what you call it.

Don't support Israel's killings of innocents, just because you believe some numbers where a single digit percentage of Palestinians support Hamas...

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by matsemann »

petertodd wrote: post #258
xerxesaa wrote: post #253

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And yet this did not save Wael Al-Dahdouh's family. He followed every order and evacuated his family. His wife, kids, and grandchild were wiped out in an airstrike in a refugee camp no less. He handled it with immense maturity and dedication. He's back to work reporting on the war.

> And yet this did not save Wael Al-Dahdouh's family. As I have repeatedly said, in a war of this nature large numbers of Gazan civilians will inevitably die. As long as Israel eliminates Hamas, this is unavoidable. If Israel fails to eliminate Hamas, large numbers of Israeli's will be killed by Hamas in the future. Between those two options, obviously Israel is going to choose the option where Israli's don't get sla…

> As I have repeatedly said, in a war of this nature large numbers of Gazan civilians will inevitably die

Your comment was "So?" one post up. It's clear how much you value the lives of innocent humans. I know I'm breaking HN rules by saying this, but it's needed: you're a piece of trash for the way you support these killings.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by edistra »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #478
ovao wrote: post #174

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Would you argue that the Hamas attack against Israeli non-military citizens on October 7th was an attempt by Palestinians to normalize relations?

The State of Israel welcomed the attack. You would have to be an utter idiot to believe otherwise given how strong their surveillance apparatus is and the type of equipment it took to break through the barrier.

Do you have any legit source to support that claim ?

It's really surprising indeed that they were not aware of the attack and that they could not defend their settlements. But that could also be explained by thinking themselves untouchable, leading now to an overreaction to hide their responsibility in this failure to protect their citizens.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by edanm »

matsemann wrote: post #511
edanm wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one actually believes that all or even most of the buildings destroyed in this campaign was "used by Hamas" if you are being honest with yourself. It's obviously collective punishment and revenge with a little bit of show ("we dropped leaflets" or "we sent warnings by SMS") for those who need it in order to go to bed at night. Sorry, no. I don't believe that. Granted, I'm Israeli, and have far more trust in the…

> But it really is true that Hamas uses human shields. It really is true that they place bases in places like hospitals. Then don't fucking bomb it. You're defending war crimes and terrorism.

> Then don't fucking bomb it. You're defending war crimes and terrorism.

1. It's not a war crime. If one side places their militants in a hospital, the hospital is no longer afforded protection. If anyone is commiting war crimes, it's Hamas, by placing their HQ in a hospital.

2. As much as I'd love to not bomb anybody, they are actively at this moment shooting rockets at me. What exactly should I do? Just wait until they inevitably manage to kill me?

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by matsemann »

edanm wrote: post #518
matsemann wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But it really is true that Hamas uses human shields. It really is true that they place bases in places like hospitals. Then don't fucking bomb it. You're defending war crimes and terrorism.

> Then don't fucking bomb it. You're defending war crimes and terrorism. 1. It's not a war crime. If one side places their militants in a hospital, the hospital is no longer afforded protection. If anyone is commiting war crimes, it's Hamas, by placing their HQ in a hospital. 2. As much as I'd love to not bomb anybody, they are actively at this moment shooting rockets at me. What exactly should I do? Just wait until…

2. Who are "they" shooting rockets at you? The children you're killing? The civilians in a hospital getting treatment form previous bombings?

I stand by my statement. You're defending war crimes and terrorism. It's what it is, no matter how justified you believe it is to kill these innocent people.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by edanm »

matsemann wrote: post #519
edanm wrote: post #518

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then don't fucking bomb it. You're defending war crimes and terrorism. 1. It's not a war crime. If one side places their militants in a hospital, the hospital is no longer afforded protection. If anyone is commiting war crimes, it's Hamas, by placing their HQ in a hospital. 2. As much as I'd love to not bomb anybody, they are actively at this moment shooting rockets at me. What exactly should I do? Just wait until…

2. Who are "they" shooting rockets at you? The children you're killing? The civilians in a hospital getting treatment form previous bombings? I stand by my statement. You're defending war crimes and terrorism. It's what it is, no matter how justified you believe it is to kill these innocent people.

> Who are "they" shooting rockets at you? The children you're killing? The civilians in a hospital getting treatment form previous bombings?

The Hamas militants that are using hospitals as a base of operations.

If you honestly want to discuss this, then here's my suggestion - let's set aside the factual question for a second. If it's true that Hamas is firing rockets from within hospitals and/or using hospitals as a base of operations, would you then consider it justified to attack back?

If yes, then we just have the factual matter of whether it's true or not and we can check that.

If no, then my followup question is - so what should we do? What other option is there if someone is firing rockets at you right now, if you refuse to fire back? I'm asking in all sincerity, I'm literally running to a bomb shelter multiple times a day as rockets are fired at me, is there something you think is ok for my government to do to try and defend me?

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