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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by jowea »

petertodd wrote: post #32
jowea wrote: post #16

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I've seen some speculation about the intelligence failure in not predicting the attack being related to Hamas avoiding the Internet for planning, and even deliberately sending false info on channels they knew were compromised.

...or Hamas just used modern encryption, which does work when implemented and used correctly. Merely using Signal consistently and correctly could very well be enough. There isn't an unlimited supply of over-the-air zero-day exploits.

When we're talking about a state-level actor (and one supposed to be quite good at this), I think you'd have to to worry about more than that. 0-days in the operating system, supply chain attacks, and even one party in the conversation being compromised.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by drewbug01 »

pauldenton wrote: post #479
drewbug01 wrote: post #353

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Is that true? I can only find news sources claiming that based only on information from the IDF, and those news sources don’t exactly seem neutral. This smells odd to me.

Well you're not getting any on the ground reporting from Gaza because their internet is destroyed and their Cellphones are out of batteries

This is, shall we say, not a good sign. :(

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Post by brucethemoose2 »

dlubarov wrote: post #376
jacknews wrote: post #279

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Exactly, and in fact they will just create more radicals, and push the existing ones to even more barbaric extremes. I'm starting to feel radical myself, and I have no connection at all to events, other than being able to spot a bully obviously about to carry out systematic barbarism in retribution.

What would you suggest Israel do instead, given the ongoing threat Hamas poses?

Negotiate. Give into some demands. Do some of the two-state solution.

Hamas has basically won because (IMO) the Gaza strip is nigh untakable without turning it into a smoldering crater with civilian blood.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

invalidname wrote: post #296
teleforce wrote: post #287

Guess which building first demolished to the ground by Israel military in Gaza at the beginning of the conflict? No price of getting the right answer, it's the Watan Tower building that hosted most of Gaza Internet Sevice Provider (ISP) companies Paltel and Jawwal and their infrastructure. It was also a hub for several international media outlets, including the Associated Press and Al Jazeera [1],[2],[3]. We are some…

It also included offices for the Hamas and was a symbol of its power. That was the main motivation for removing it.

I mean their main objective is to decimate Hamas as an entity in Gaza, they know they'll never get all of them but destroying all their infrastructure and weapons (and other) caches along with their leadership is critical. I'm sure they know they'll never end the movement,but they can destroy nearly all their large scale capabilities.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

kingofpandora wrote: post #349
invalidname wrote: post #296

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It also included offices for the Hamas and was a symbol of its power. That was the main motivation for removing it.

Remember that an advisor to Natanyahu tweeted that the Al-Arabi Hospital was bombed by Israel because it was being used by Hamas. No, I'm not saying that the hospital was actually bombed by Israel; I'm saying that everything that Israel bombs is labelled with the "used by Hamas" tag as justification for what this really is. No one actually believes that all or even most of the buildings destroyed in this campaign was…

I believe that 99% of what they're bombing are known or very probably Hamas hot spots. They have no reason to kill regular Palestinians, but they are at war, and war is pretty fkng ugly. They have sat back for decades while Hamas lobbed rockets at them and then turn around and massacre 1400 people as if they were nothing. No I think this is pent-up and they are on a mission to end Hamas with prejudice, they are not on a mission to kill innocent people, but I have no doubt that Hamas will put innocent people between them and Israeli bombs.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

bluish29 wrote: post #11
bawolff wrote: post #9

Dirupting enemy communications is a pretty standard goal of any army in a war. I'm more surprised it took this long.

Cutting communication with outside world is a standard step in genocide and committing war crimes too.

it's also a standard step in shutting down terrorist organizations who need to communicate with the outside world to get their orders (from Iran)

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Post by stjohnswarts »

snird wrote: post #393
bluish29 wrote: post #7

Someday, people in the western countries will mourn the lives lost and wish they could help in time. Except this is the time. Not after the fact and a few remains. This is an occurring theme.

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Exactly, all Hamas has to do is come out of their tunnels, lay down their weapons, free the hostages and it all ends.

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Post by defrost »

fortran77 wrote: post #443
defrost wrote: post #46

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Which is both deplorable and fails to justify the killing of innocents. I've dug bodies out of bombed buildings and am no fan of real life bloodied and burned bodies - whether the cause is Hamas, Israel, or an earthquake.

Sometimes you have to seek a solution when someone commits an act of war, like murdering 1400 civilians--brutally--and taking over 200 people hostage. The goal is to make sure this never happens again.

Sure; Cause --> effect.

> like murdering 1400 civilians--brutally--and taking over 200 people hostage.

Was there any prior cause for this, or did this just happen "out of the blue" with no prior provacation and no warning from various citizens of Israel that such an event was inevitable if the state continued down certain paths of action?

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Post by megous »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #487
snird wrote: post #393

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Exactly, all Hamas has to do is come out of their tunnels, lay down their weapons, free the hostages and it all ends.

So you support Israeli war crimes and international humanitarian law violations, as a means to achieve its ends? Or just in general, that it's ok for any country or any party to the conflict?

Can't seem to find the logic behind your argument.

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Post by megous »

nvm0n2 wrote: post #404
arp242 wrote: post #385

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I'm not sure what your point is?

His point is that you're talking about Israel's blockade but Egypt could also end it, they choose not to.

If that border was fully under control of Egypt, there would not be a trickle of aid in, but hundreds of trucks would be passing through. Egypt is bound by some agreements, too:

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-real...

Anyway, occupying power can't displace occupied population to other country, for any reason, without violating Geneva Convention:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/art...

Not that Isreal cares, but rest of the world does.

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