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Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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I think people having less number of kids is also makes parent care more about safety of their kids.

I've head many people express that, but I can't imagine it. I think people had different concepts of child-rearing then. Because no one was doing it differently. But as for caring less: having a child is like cutting out a chunk of your physical heart, and using it to make this baby. The mere thought of harm to your child feels like torture. That's why us parents develop the no-sense-of-humor disadvantage regarding o…

I get your point, but I sort of disagree. Maybe "caring" in the abstract isn't the exact word for it, but I have friends who had 8, 10 or 11 mostly older siblings, and their parents definitely didn't give them as much thought or care as kids who had 0, 1 or 2 siblings. Like, they never coached a sports team, or helped with homework, or gave any impression that they were going to help pay for college, or attended school events. They kids basically on their own and partially raised by older siblings.

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America was no less a car culture in the 80’s and yet we had much more mobility. I was walking to school by myself as a six year old, and everyone else did. Now your parents did. It’s only the perception of risk that changed.

> It’s only the perception of risk that changed. The more people travel by car, the worse the experience is for everybody else. For example, as more people drive their kids to school, fewer people become comfortable letting their own kids walk because the traffic around the school is so much worse. The actual danger, not just the perception of it, has increased. And besides the increased danger, there is also noise,…

I just don’t think it has anything to do with cars. I think the movie Mystic River did far more to stop people letting their kids travel around unsupervised.

If anything, all sorts of traffic deaths are much lower than they were when I was a kid.

It’s not cars parents fear, it’s crime

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America was no less a car culture in the 80’s and yet we had much more mobility. I was walking to school by myself as a six year old, and everyone else did. Now your parents did. It’s only the perception of risk that changed.

Both perception of risk and tolerance of risk.

I’ve heard it theorized that the reason we are less tolerant is that we have fewer children. It was once not uncommon, not even that long ago, for a family to have several children, and one did not make it through childhood.

It was still tragic, of course, but I think people find it significantly more tragic if you have one child, and that child does not make it through childhood.

But I definitely agree that both are factors. I think the perception comes largely from the Internet. Everyone thinks crime is going up, even when it is going down, and the only reason that makes any sense is that we simply hear more about it.

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> almost 900 hours of combined helicopter and airplane flight time If I were in the market for a helicopter pilot, I would be very keen to know what the breakdown is!

Is there a specific breakdown above which you’d not consider someone claiming combined heli+aircraft experience a heli pilot?

I'm not sophisticated enough to know for sure, but I wouldn't give that much extra credit for airplane hours. For example, if I thought that 500 helicopter hours was sufficient to entrust my life to someone, I wouldn't take someone with 300, just because he had 200 (or even 300 or 400) hours flying a completely different type of craft.

If it were going in the other direction, I might be more likely to be accommodating, since my sense is that helicopters are harder to master than airplanes. But I'm no expert here, and I would definitely ask around to see if my understanding is correct.

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America was no less a car culture in the 80’s and yet we had much more mobility. I was walking to school by myself as a six year old, and everyone else did. Now your parents did. It’s only the perception of risk that changed.

The actual risk has changed. The risk vector is different though. Where before the risk was from a predator, now the risk is from a “Karen” calling CPS on you as well as the social costs of other people judging you as a bad parent.

That had to follow the change in societal norms though. When I was a kid if you called CPS because somebody let their kid walk to school they wouldn’t have done anything.

The norms changed due to different assessment of risk, then, perhaps other risks followed

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I would say the root cause of children's independent mobility (or lack thereof) is parents' perception of how dangerous it would be to give kids that freedom - a perception that may or may not be strongly correlated with the real risk profile. Of course there's also a social angle, if all other parents gawp at you or even threaten to report you to social services for giving your kids more freedom, then you're most li…

This is what it is. There were just as many cars when I was little (6 or 7 years old) but I could walk anywhere I wanted with my friends "exploring" most of the day and no one even had the thought that we would be kidnapped or murdered. Fast forward and I am not even sure about letting my 16 year old walk by himself 3 blocks down the road to the corner store. And it isn't about cars! Also, I would say that there was…

I had a driver's license and my own truck when I was 16.

So glad that I never had kids because norms around raising kids these days are crazy and I definitely would have been reported to CPS.

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The R44 is the one the keeps crashing isn’t it? That and the R22. New Zealand isn’t the ideal environment for them, we have 250. 18 deaths in 14 crashes. https://www.taic.org.nz/watchlist/robinson-helicopters-mast-...

Helicopters in general keep crashing, light ones with low rotor inertia crash harder and faster.

They do. However NZ’s civil aviation authority has flagged this as a standout.

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So why are you not sure about letting your 16 year old walk by himself? FYSA: There is almost certainly lower violent crime risk and higher car risk than when you were growing up.

>FYSA: There is almost certainly lower violent crime risk and higher car risk than when you were growing up. I agree with you and that is why I said that the problem is that we hear about every single instance now and really didn't back then unless it was a "big deal" or involved someone we knew. >So why are you not sure about letting your 16 year old walk by himself? I am more worried about someone fucking with him…

Nonetheless as red_admiral posted the problem lies within you as a parent rather than with your son.

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> By contrast, it is so good to see that death by drowning and car accidents have plummeted over the last 50 years. Yes, less deaths are obviously a positive. However, could this be because of helicopter'ing adults? From kids not being allowed to be kids and put themselves in adverse places and face tough decisions? Mom won't let Johnny drive, she drives instead. Dad won't let Jane go out with friends on a camping tr…

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Some reduction is probably because of changes in protective styles of parents. But I think that the reduction of deaths due to car accidents is primarily driven by safety standards and better cars/roads. While the reduction in drowning is probably closer linked to parenting style. But also this is probably related to regulation. I think what's most annoying about overprot…

> But I think that the reduction of deaths due to car accidents is primarily driven by safety standards and better cars/roads.

Do we see that across the board? My impression is accidents are up due to distractions (i.e., phones). Youth are notorious heavy users of their devices. If their deaths are down it's not from safer roads.

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> That's just your point of view, a point of view which results in helicopter parenting > They don't use reddit/etc so they aren't pumped full of hyperbolic propaganda about how dangerous walking in America is, and consequently, they're able to enjoy it just fine Here's some of the data and context that informs my opinion. I'm used to walking about 30-35Km a week in suburban Toronto. Close calls with cars happen on a…

Most pedestrian result from pedestrians doing stupid things, like walking in the middle of the road at night wearing black while drunk. 77% of pedestrian deaths occur at night: https://www.vox.com/23784549/pedestrian-deaths-traffic-safet... 60% of pedestrian deaths occur on high-capacity urban roads: https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/pedestrian_safety/i... The most dangerous roads are multilane roads e.g. high…

> Most pedestrian result from pedestrians doing stupid things, like walking in the middle of the road at night wearing black while drunk.

A ridiculous notion not supported by anything you've linked. Somehow it's the most vulnerable road users that are at fault?

If that's the case, then why are pedestrian death rates in the US so bad compared to Europe? Do european pedestrians do fewer stupid things? Do they drink less?

> The most dangerous roads are multilane roads e.g. highways: "among 60 roads that had the most pedestrian deaths during 2001-2016, all were roads with adjacent commercial retail space, nearly all were multilane roads"

If there's adjacent commercial space, it's not a highway, it's a stroad. The article explains it quite well:

"There’s no single explanation for why it’s getting more dangerous to walk on US roads, but there are a few major contributing factors. One is deadly road design."

"A stroad is the worst of both worlds, and is incredibly dangerous to pedestrians. The data bears this out: In 2021, the latest GHSA report says, 60.4 percent of pedestrian fatalities happened on such roads, which often lack infrastructure that would make it safe for pedestrians, such as good lighting and frequent crosswalks. As a consequence, many of the people killed last year were struck at night."

"Another major factor contributing to climbing pedestrian fatalities is the American love affair with big vehicles. Over the last 20-plus years, US consumers have turned away from the small cars that used to dominate our roadways in favor of increasingly larger SUVs and light trucks. These larger, heavier vehicles create big blind spots and are more deadly to pedestrians when they strike them — especially children. From 2000 to 2019, smaller vehicles such as sedans dropped from 60 percent of all vehicles to around 40 percent, while the number of SUVs surged, from 10 percent to over 30 percent. In 2021, trucks and SUVs made up more than 80 percent of new vehicle sales, and there’s little sign of that trend abating"

Personal responsibility isn't a useful concept when it comes to safety. Safety can only be achieved when the infrastructure is designed for it.

Putting up a speed limit sign isn't going to slow down a vehicle, shining a red light at it is not going to stop it, a line on the road isn't going to prevent a vehicle from crossing it. That's how pedestrians and cyclists die.

Reducing lanes down to one will stop overtaking and narrowing lanes will slow vehicles down, as will introducing turns and twists. Putting up a physical barrier between the road and a cycle path will prevent cars from intruding on the cyclists. Safety by design, not by wishful thinking.

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