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> I would disagree that Israel is dehumanizing all Palestinians This article has some examples. Many more on social media. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/the-la...

This is an opinion piece and I would say biased. Just to picks some random piece: "For years, Israeli leaders have advocated ethnic cleansing, euphemistically called “transfer” " is totally false. We're talking about some fringe crazies, no Israel leader has ever advocated for this. The article talks about how schools in Israel view Arabs. Well, you should see how schools in Gaza or the West Bank view Israelis: https…

A study that shows levels of dehumanization of the other are extremely high and comparable in BOTH Israeli and Palestinian communities.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5528981/

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Exactly, and in fact they will just create more radicals, and push the existing ones to even more barbaric extremes. I'm starting to feel radical myself, and I have no connection at all to events, other than being able to spot a bully obviously about to carry out systematic barbarism in retribution.

What would you suggest Israel do instead, given the ongoing threat Hamas poses?

This situation always makes me think of the scifi books 'Deathworld' by Harry Harrison.

Whatever the solution, or at least, path forward, is, it is never 'more aggression', especially from a position of power.

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It's important to understand the context, this did not started this month, it started 70~ years ago by strangling people in a confined space. Also it's important to separate Hamas than Palestinian civilians. They did not have any democratic chance to elect what they have. Why do they pay for it? What Israel is doing is not smart and is going to create an endless conflict. Hate creates more hate.

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Here's another one: Israeli think tank lays out a blueprint for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza [1].... "The Misgav Institute is headed by former Netanyahu National Security Advisor Meir Ben Shabbat, who remains influential in Israeli security circles. The Institute’s former chairpersons and founding associates include Yoaz Hendel (chair 2012-19), a right-centrist who was Minister of Communications intermittent…

It's horrific that a solution that was never going to work could well end up making Israel the progenitors of another genocide. This is the sort of thing that makes me wonder about whether humanity even stands a chance in the long run.

I’m reliably told that diversity is a strength. Why can’t a stronger more diverse Israel work?

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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History suggests expunging determined, fortified, modern militants embedded in a civilian population never goes well. The expunger loses or gets a pyrrhic victory, even with a huge economic advantage. Honestly, however dire the need, I don't see what Israel is thinking. If Israel, the US, Europe, China and Russia all held hands and invaded the Gaza strip together, they still probably couldn't route out Hamas.

Depends on your definition of success. It only doesnt work if you care about infrastructure. It will work if Israel aims to flatten Gaza into the ground.

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At this point, I think Gaza is pretty much doomed. There won’t be much left at the end of this special military operation.

>special military operation

Are you confusing Israel with russia? Afaik they declared proper war and are abiding to Geneva convention.

Israel formally declares war against Hamas https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/08/israel-hamas...

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After the horrendous Hamas attacks of October 7 a portion of the Israeli public sort of lost it and have outright called for retribution. I worry that this indiscriminate bombing campaign combined with a near complete blockade of food, electricity, water of the last two weeks is reflective of that. Now with a lack of communication, I worry about Palestinians. You can never be sure what will happen, but the ingredient…

> have outright called for retribution When Israel invaded Gaza in 2014 they killed 2,310 people. 70% were civilians. In return they lost only 67 soldiers. They also destroyed 7-10k homes and damaged 87k other homes. Between 2005-2008, 1,754 Palestinians and 117 Israelis have lost their lives due to the ongoing occupation. Between 2008-2023 2,329 more Palestinians and 308 more Israeli people lost their lives. The vas…

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