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New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by Tabular-Iceberg »

lostlogin wrote: post #44
persponsibility wrote: post #4

I got excited when I saw something about helicopters. There are hardly ever any articles about helicopters on HN. I have a commercial helicopter license and almost 900 hours of combined helicopter and airplane flight time. If any extra rich people in the bay area or Sacramento want to buy a heli I will be your personal pilot available 24/7. Helis can go almost anywhere. I love to fly but it is hard to fly them unless…

The R44 is the one the keeps crashing isn’t it? That and the R22. New Zealand isn’t the ideal environment for them, we have 250. 18 deaths in 14 crashes. https://www.taic.org.nz/watchlist/robinson-helicopters-mast-...

Helicopters in general keep crashing, light ones with low rotor inertia crash harder and faster.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by JKCalhoun »

red_admiral wrote: post #70
david-gpu wrote: post #38

The title blames "helicopter parenting" while the actual study blames the lack of independent mobility: > Considerable research, mostly in Europe, has focused on children’s independent mobility (CIM), defined as children’s freedom to travel in their neighborhood or city without adult accompaniment Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? Children and teens can't safely roa…

I would say the root cause of children's independent mobility (or lack thereof) is parents' perception of how dangerous it would be to give kids that freedom - a perception that may or may not be strongly correlated with the real risk profile. Of course there's also a social angle, if all other parents gawp at you or even threaten to report you to social services for giving your kids more freedom, then you're most li…

> parents' perception of how dangerous it would be to give kids that freedom - a perception that may or may not be strongly correlated with the real risk profile

I would guess correlated with the advent of the 24-hour cable news cycle.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by rtcoms »

red_admiral wrote: post #70
david-gpu wrote: post #38

The title blames "helicopter parenting" while the actual study blames the lack of independent mobility: > Considerable research, mostly in Europe, has focused on children’s independent mobility (CIM), defined as children’s freedom to travel in their neighborhood or city without adult accompaniment Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? Children and teens can't safely roa…

I would say the root cause of children's independent mobility (or lack thereof) is parents' perception of how dangerous it would be to give kids that freedom - a perception that may or may not be strongly correlated with the real risk profile. Of course there's also a social angle, if all other parents gawp at you or even threaten to report you to social services for giving your kids more freedom, then you're most li…

I think people having less number of kids is also makes parent care more about safety of their kids.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by jokethrowaway »

david-gpu wrote: post #38

The title blames "helicopter parenting" while the actual study blames the lack of independent mobility: > Considerable research, mostly in Europe, has focused on children’s independent mobility (CIM), defined as children’s freedom to travel in their neighborhood or city without adult accompaniment Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? Children and teens can't safely roa…

In all the eu countries I've been, most cities or even local towns are car centric and I grew up in one.

Walkable options I've experienced: Uk towns in the country with a large walkable area and plenty of shops (and I've heard about some spanish cities although I have not seen them) or London with frequent transport.

Even though my city was definitely car centric I could roam freely as a kid wherever I wanted by bike.

Since I was ~16 immigration from Africa, the middle east and balkans became a massive problem and every week there was someone getting knifed in the park in front of the train station.

I didn't lose my right to roam freely, but that's because I was already big enough.

I moved country (still eu unfortunately) and immigration is becoming a problem here as well. It's like when I was 16 all over again. In comparison, in my own home country my grandma stopped going out in the city centre because it's so dangerous.

It goes without saying I am not going to let my kids roam freely here.

Maybe if we move somewhere else safer, eg Dubai.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by skrebbel »

ben_w wrote: post #39
skrebbel wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. I was rather confused as well so I just assumed that it’s people who are so attached to their doomsday conviction they actively block good news.

I've also been surprised by witnessing a bit of that here recently. I guess the names "last generation" and "extinction rebellion" are sincere.

Fwiw I see the extinction rebellion groups as a beacon of hope (even if they’re way more pessimistic than I am). I live in NL and as far as I can see their work is actually beginning to move the needle.

You don’t go sit on a highway and block all traffic with 200 people for a month straight if you believe it’s all futile anyway.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by HlessClaudesman »

willcipriano wrote: post #50
Dah00n wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? If it is, then comparing EU versus US should show a clear difference, as US cities are much, much more car-centric than most (any?) EU city. Personally, I don't see “children’s independent mobility” as a problem (I live in Denmark). At least, not an issue that is any different from when I was a child. The only major difference I se…

Growing up in a rural area I rode my bike all over the place. Should see a difference with rural vs urban as well.

Survivorship bias. The rural kids riding their bikes all over the place who unfortunately got eliminated by cars didn't get to write hacker news posts.

My own 6 year old has to cross a busy main road to get to school. Have I damaged him mentally by personally making sure he gets across twice a day, or have I mitigated the low risk of a catastrophic outcome?

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by bregma »

callalex wrote: post #2

Maybe the earth/environment collapsing around them while nobody does anything to fix it is also depressing.

Maybe.

Growing up in the 1960s we all expected to die in the imminent nuclear holocaust. That was a relatively good thing because if we didn't most people were expected to perish from mass starvation by the year 2000 due to the global population bomb.

But yeah, kids today have it hard because their future looks bleak.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by Symbiote »

willcipriano wrote: post #63
voisin wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in a rural area as well but in my mind it is no different or possibly worse - farther distances meant biking was a necessity versus walking, zero bike infrastructure so I had to be commingled with vehicular traffic, and that traffic was going much faster than in a city due to the wide openness of the roads and no need to stop for far distances. I think it was far more dangerous.

Yet we biked everywhere and had no issues remaining mobile. Kids are more trusted to look after themselves in rural areas, adults are as well really.

I think you need to give the country, as the infrastructure in a rural area varies widely.

In Britain every road is for cars, and in rural areas they can travel at 80km/h on them. There will be footpaths within a village, but not necessarily on the roads between villages. Cycling on footpaths is illegal, including for teenagers.

Other countries (Netherlands, Denmark, probably more) can have roads only for use by residents or farmers plus cyclists/pedestrians (e.g. gates at each end), or roads with much lower speed limits, or guaranteed footpaths. I've visited but not lived in a rural area like this, so I'm not sure how well it works in practise.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by willcipriano »

HlessClaudesman wrote: post #97
willcipriano wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Growing up in a rural area I rode my bike all over the place. Should see a difference with rural vs urban as well.

Survivorship bias. The rural kids riding their bikes all over the place who unfortunately got eliminated by cars didn't get to write hacker news posts. My own 6 year old has to cross a busy main road to get to school. Have I damaged him mentally by personally making sure he gets across twice a day, or have I mitigated the low risk of a catastrophic outcome?

Why not both?
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