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New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by Aeolun »

jtrn wrote: post #30

Just my personal experience working as a psychologist with kids: The kids who were overly protected had about the same amount of problems as the kids from seriously neglected homes. So when I want to make my case for NOT overprotecting kids, I say: "If you really want to damage your kid: Protect them from all adversity." I do think that the whole "suicide is increasing" trope is seldom put in context. Of course, it's…

I had to read this twice, because it seemed like you said that overprotective, and neglective parents have the same outcomes, but I think you are mostly trying to say that parents which are neither overprotective nor neglective have a lower rate of issues right?

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by orwin »

Aeolun wrote: post #41
jtrn wrote: post #30

Just my personal experience working as a psychologist with kids: The kids who were overly protected had about the same amount of problems as the kids from seriously neglected homes. So when I want to make my case for NOT overprotecting kids, I say: "If you really want to damage your kid: Protect them from all adversity." I do think that the whole "suicide is increasing" trope is seldom put in context. Of course, it's…

I had to read this twice, because it seemed like you said that overprotective, and neglective parents have the same outcomes, but I think you are mostly trying to say that parents which are neither overprotective nor neglective have a lower rate of issues right?

That's my reading (in case GP doesn't respond).

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by csydas »

david-gpu wrote: post #38

The title blames "helicopter parenting" while the actual study blames the lack of independent mobility: > Considerable research, mostly in Europe, has focused on children’s independent mobility (CIM), defined as children’s freedom to travel in their neighborhood or city without adult accompaniment Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? Children and teens can't safely roa…

I would largely agree with this viewpoint having grown up in the US in a medium sized city. Everything was a few miles away, public transit was present but not reliable (missing a bus meant waiting 40+ minutes for the next one), no bike lanes or paths except for one outside of the city, etc. as a child bikes were our only option to meet friends but this meant biking in traffic or on sidewalks, neither pleasant or convenient.

While i survived fine, it was in spite of the childhood, not because of it. I still don’t want to bike in a city unless they have well defined and protected bike lanes; too many close calls, not so close calls that ended up in disaster, bike theft, etc.

After moving to Europe and seeing how mobile kids are without cars even, i wish i had that growing up, as just seems so much nicer to be able to meet friends and do things without needing a car or having to survive biking in traffic.

I’m glad i had internet very early to make hanging out with friends easier and keeping up with what’s going on way easier. instead of having to do a bunch of phone calls or go visit and make plans, we could just do IRC or AIM or Skype chats and it’s much like it is nowadays for planning and joining/declining meetups. I do wonder what my teens years would have looked like if we had the same public transport options as most EU cities do.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by lostlogin »

persponsibility wrote: post #4

I got excited when I saw something about helicopters. There are hardly ever any articles about helicopters on HN. I have a commercial helicopter license and almost 900 hours of combined helicopter and airplane flight time. If any extra rich people in the bay area or Sacramento want to buy a heli I will be your personal pilot available 24/7. Helis can go almost anywhere. I love to fly but it is hard to fly them unless…

The R44 is the one the keeps crashing isn’t it? That and the R22.

New Zealand isn’t the ideal environment for them, we have 250. 18 deaths in 14 crashes.

https://www.taic.org.nz/watchlist/robinson-helicopters-mast-...

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by matt89 »

pollux01 wrote: post #23

I am a victim of this and was depressed until, I took control of my life. The worst part is, all of your life decision are taken by the parents and you feel at odds at your own emotions when you grow up to become an adult. Now a days, any words that my parent utter, even if the advice is a good one, I never take them seriously. Lost trust on both the parents.

I feel very similarly having grown up with a very overprotective and overly attached mother. I'm constantly struggling with emotions and have a lot of self doubt and don't feel like Im in control of my life. Been slowly regaining this control and trying to improve myself via therapy. Unfortunately right now I don't value my parents very much and Im resentful towards my mother. Perhaps that will change in future, perhaps not.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by Dah00n »

david-gpu wrote: post #38

The title blames "helicopter parenting" while the actual study blames the lack of independent mobility: > Considerable research, mostly in Europe, has focused on children’s independent mobility (CIM), defined as children’s freedom to travel in their neighborhood or city without adult accompaniment Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? Children and teens can't safely roa…

>Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning?

If it is, then comparing EU versus US should show a clear difference, as US cities are much, much more car-centric than most (any?) EU city.

Personally, I don't see “children’s independent mobility” as a problem (I live in Denmark). At least, not an issue that is any different from when I was a child. The only major difference I see is that kids aren't allowed the same mobility by helicopter parents (everything is too dangerous these days, even though in reality it is better).

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by unstuck3958 »

david-gpu wrote: post #38

The title blames "helicopter parenting" while the actual study blames the lack of independent mobility: > Considerable research, mostly in Europe, has focused on children’s independent mobility (CIM), defined as children’s freedom to travel in their neighborhood or city without adult accompaniment Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? Children and teens can't safely roa…

As much as I hate cars, it's not just the cars, but also the social isolation that is a signature of urban environments.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by NotGMan »

baq wrote: post #35
NotGMan wrote: post #34

The effect of heli parenting is the same as when you have a boss that is an idiot and you hate him because you realize he is incomptent but he doesn't see it: you intuitively realize that something is very wrong but you may have credit so you are locked into the job. With a kid it's much worse: you can quit from a job even if you have credit (risky), but as a kid you can NEVER "quit" from your parents: it's being stu…

OP is probably from Europe - important note: instead of ‘credit’ you want to say ‘mortgage’.

Correct.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by bitlax »

defrost wrote: post #14
persponsibility wrote: post #4

I got excited when I saw something about helicopters. There are hardly ever any articles about helicopters on HN. I have a commercial helicopter license and almost 900 hours of combined helicopter and airplane flight time. If any extra rich people in the bay area or Sacramento want to buy a heli I will be your personal pilot available 24/7. Helis can go almost anywhere. I love to fly but it is hard to fly them unless…

If you're feeling game you could try for a cattle station job where I grew up .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B-zWxDJOZU

And there's always heli-hoggin.

Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed

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Post by willcipriano »

Dah00n wrote: post #46
david-gpu wrote: post #38

The title blames "helicopter parenting" while the actual study blames the lack of independent mobility: > Considerable research, mostly in Europe, has focused on children’s independent mobility (CIM), defined as children’s freedom to travel in their neighborhood or city without adult accompaniment Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? Children and teens can't safely roa…

>Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? If it is, then comparing EU versus US should show a clear difference, as US cities are much, much more car-centric than most (any?) EU city. Personally, I don't see “children’s independent mobility” as a problem (I live in Denmark). At least, not an issue that is any different from when I was a child. The only major difference I se…

Growing up in a rural area I rode my bike all over the place. Should see a difference with rural vs urban as well.
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