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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by culi » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:26 AM UTC

bluish29 wrote: post #51

fortran77 wrote: post #25

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Come on. Isreal have modern army which have the most advanced weapons and technologies with the fu support of the most powerful countries in the world. It is open secret that they have a medium sized nuclear arsenal. US sent troops and weapons everytime they are in war. They occupy the 1967 Palestinian borders except gaza, Golan from syria and some parts of Lebanon. They are fighting a bunch of people whatever they a…

> US sent troops and weapons everytime they are in war

Let's not pretend it's just occasional. The US sends $3.8 billion annually to Israel's military

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by bhouston » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:26 AM UTC

ipaddr wrote: post #127

3c6bYDXLMj wrote: post #91

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You’re at best conflating “soldiers” with “soldiers and civilians” in your comment, and at worst implying that this atrocities that affect far more than 8% of one demographic of Gaza’s population is justified collateral damage. That’s completely ignoring the other completely faulty aspects of your comparison, e.g. which populations are being displaced?

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> Those who support Hamas aren't innocent.

That is the language of genocide.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by enterprise_cog » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:26 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #125

enterprise_cog wrote: post #119

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I don’t know. Neither do you. Let’s stick to reality and what is actually happening right now.

That's.. interesting. When others say they will do things people take them for their word that they will do those things (if Putin stated, hey, I'm going to interfere in lections, for example --oh, we don't know, let's stick to what we know now...). But here, we have equivocation and uncertainty? Huh! If a government initiates an unannounced attack on neighboring one, specifically seeking out and killing civilians wi…

“Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 1948,” - Ariel Kallner, member of the Likud party.

So we agree Israel is committing genocide.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by ovao » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:26 AM UTC

enterprise_cog wrote: post #130

petertodd wrote: post #113

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> What future would that be? A future where they stop killing Israeli's and slowly build up the trust to restore normal relations and trade. Gaza was given the chance when Israel decoccupied Gaza in 2005. They decided to vote in Hamas in a democratic election instead. > Gazan citizens do not have a say in much of anything, they're either combatants, captives or hostages depending on what your perspective from outside…

What if Israel stopped killing Palestinians and normalized relations with Gaza? Israel could choose a different path.

Would you argue that the Hamas attack against Israeli non-military citizens on October 7th was an attempt by Palestinians to normalize relations?

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by mcpackieh » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:27 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #143

bhouston wrote: post #137

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They stopped that practice in this war.

From the wikipedia piece linked to by the person to whom you are replying: Roof knocking occurred during some strikes in the October 2023 Gaza−Israel conflict. And it links to a piece describing the conflict that began October 7th.

I've been watching live webcam footage of Gaza since things started to get hot. I've watched huge bombs level buildings in Gaza out of the blue with no preceding small explosions as warning. Whatever the IDF may say, they aren't "roof knocking".

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Post by djaro » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:27 AM UTC

petertodd wrote: post #41

xkekjrktllss wrote: post #18

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the west had a different opinion on russia doing the same in ukraine

Because Russia's invasion is clearly illegal and immoral. Every act they do in furtherance of that goal is a crime. Every bullet fired, every cell phone tower and every power transformer destroyed. Israel is clearly defending themselves against a genocidal adversary who just killed more Jews in one day than any day since the Holocaust. They have every right to invade Gaza to eliminate that threat.

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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by catlover76 » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:27 AM UTC

nwiswell wrote: post #82

bhouston wrote: post #36

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petertodd wrote: > Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The Gazan population does not favor Hamas according to polling prior to October 7th: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/171800792755696451... Hamas was also boosted by Netanyahu in part to prevent a two-state solution and diminish mo…

> That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The entire situation is deeply regrettable and it's hard to find any heroes here, but I feel like we forget our own history so easily. The United States, within living memory, conducted a firebombing campaign of Dresden, which had limited military value, killing over 25,000. We interned over 100,000 of our own citizens of Japanese ancestry. We…

So...you're saying too bad for the people in Gaza because bad shit happened to other people before?

Like, what is really the point of your comment? I don't see where the person to whom you replied said "if only Israel was like the US" or something

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by user982 » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:27 AM UTC

orionsbelt wrote: post #148

solarpunk wrote: post #135

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can you elaborate?

Israel has given repeated warnings for the north of Gaza to evacuate south for the past two weeks while Gaza has had internet. In addition, they have dropped leaflets all over the are stating the same thing.

Israel then bombed south Gaza after herding the Palestinians there: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-atta...

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by mc32 » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:28 AM UTC

enterprise_cog wrote: post #173

mc32 wrote: post #125

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That's.. interesting. When others say they will do things people take them for their word that they will do those things (if Putin stated, hey, I'm going to interfere in lections, for example --oh, we don't know, let's stick to what we know now...). But here, we have equivocation and uncertainty? Huh! If a government initiates an unannounced attack on neighboring one, specifically seeking out and killing civilians wi…

“Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 1948,” - Ariel Kallner, member of the Likud party. So we agree Israel is committing genocide.

Do you see the irony, you believe one's statements, but the other, you equivocate. Above you were arguing you have to wait and see if they really actually mean it in reality.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by jacquesm » Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:28 AM UTC

ipaddr wrote: post #127

3c6bYDXLMj wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re at best conflating “soldiers” with “soldiers and civilians” in your comment, and at worst implying that this atrocities that affect far more than 8% of one demographic of Gaza’s population is justified collateral damage. That’s completely ignoring the other completely faulty aspects of your comparison, e.g. which populations are being displaced?

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The last time I saw paraphrased language like this it was the Jews on the receiving end. Do us all a favor and stop with this kind of language, this is exactly what keeps the wheel of violence turning.

For every terrorist you kill you get three new ones. For every house that gets demolished and a family displaced you get another bunch, for every child that gets shot there are bereaved people left behind some of whom will now have nothing to lose.

It's really annoying - especially given that even in Israel - and amongst Jews abroad - there are many people who are sick and tired both of the hawks and of the terrorists who both couldn't give a rats ass about collateral damage as long as their side 'wins' whatever that means for them. Rabin had it right and he died for it, at the hands of the fanatics. God forbid that someone would be reasonable for a change.