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Great Male Renunciation

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Re: Great Male Renunciation

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Post by kyorochan »

rsynnott wrote: post #127
mock-possum wrote: post #117

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> The two-button jacket should never have both buttons fastened. Sorry, why put two buttons on the jacket then?

You know the little pocket within a pocket that most jeans have, in this future year of 2023? It's for a _pocket watch_, originally. Fashion tends to lead to vestigial details hanging around more or less indefinitely.

Funnily enough I've always heard that referred to as a "coin pocket", but since I live in a country that has barely used cash for the last 10+ years I thought this was very anachronistic and started putting my keys in there.

Re: Great Male Renunciation

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Post by rsynnott »

kyorochan wrote: post #141
rsynnott wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know the little pocket within a pocket that most jeans have, in this future year of 2023? It's for a _pocket watch_, originally. Fashion tends to lead to vestigial details hanging around more or less indefinitely.

Funnily enough I've always heard that referred to as a "coin pocket", but since I live in a country that has barely used cash for the last 10+ years I thought this was very anachronistic and started putting my keys in there.

I used to think it was for (old, zippo-style) lighters. But nah, apparently it started off life as somewhere to put a pocket watch.

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Post by orwin »

Jensson wrote: post #102
orwin wrote: post #99

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Yes, and I think I'm lowballing it. Notables include the mercantile bourgeoisie, the administration, the mercenaries, the guard, the local bourgeoisie (guild leaders, lawyers), and the 'small bourgeoisie' in the sense people who owned either specific, important equipment, or important skills outside cities, so not in a guild (horse breeders, miller etc). Nobility is like .5% to 2% depending on your country, the rest,…

Uniforms doesn't count, you don't choose your uniform. That rules out most of the groups you listed.

I'm talking about people wealthy enough to wear tinted linen/cotton and fitted pants/stocking. I do not care if they wore a uniform during their work hours.

Re: Great Male Renunciation

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Post by benhurmarcel »

rsynnott wrote: post #127
mock-possum wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The two-button jacket should never have both buttons fastened. Sorry, why put two buttons on the jacket then?

You know the little pocket within a pocket that most jeans have, in this future year of 2023? It's for a _pocket watch_, originally. Fashion tends to lead to vestigial details hanging around more or less indefinitely.

You mean the Airpods pocket?

Re: Great Male Renunciation

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Post by eadmund »

zeristor wrote: post #65
eadmund wrote: post #48

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In at least some periods servants wore their masters’ cast-offs. Additionally, many natural dyes are not necessarily that expensive. I understand that many mediæval artworks depict commoners in colourful clothing.

Sumptuary Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumptuary_law

Good point (and little-known nowadays!), but I think that the focus of sumptuary laws tended to be luxuries such as trim, furs, cloth-of-gold or Imperial purple, rather than colourful clothing in general. But I could be wrong!
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