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Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by wiz21c »

distances wrote: post #189
Anchor wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another sad anecdote: A bank in Finland suspended an account for a text in free-form message field of a bank transfer. The message was for a vet visit of a dog named Ira. When you say "Ira's payment" in Finnish, you add suffix -n, so the text field said Iran, which of course must indicate money transfer to a sanctioned country. It is comforting to know that the bank system catches all the illegal activity that the sa…

An acquaintance of mine (in Europe) had a default bank transfer message "al-qaeda terrorist fund" for years and years. That did finally raise some flags, but a visit to a bank office was enough to get the account unblocked. Being a bit stubborn, he still kept the message and just applied rot13 to it.

I once wanted to make a small network of bots hosted at frriend's homes. These bots would talk each other by sending some Shakespeare's play excerpts where you would replace the names of the characters by names of various criminals. Just to see how long before I get caught :-)

Until I read that the law in my country explictely forbids "deceiving" the police...

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #199
lbriner wrote: post #47

The whole issue around not telling you what rule you broke "because then you might work around it" is total BS. It's like a company I complained to the other day because they didn't label one of the inputs on their password reset form because "it would help a hacker know what to type in it" (it was the password reset password they expected but you wouldn't know). How much quicker would this be resolved if the first A…

It should be legally required to state a clear broken rule and example. Right now they do this to avoid legal issues but as a citizen, I want them to be legally responsible.

They also do this to save on staff costs; if you don't tell someone why they were banned, they won't have any counterarguments either, nothing to try and argue with.

No room for arguments = no time needed for a human to interact.

For a while now, it's become pretty common knowledge that the big tech companies do not want anything involving people, because people don't scale. This is also why they invest so much in "AI" tooling, so there's even less people needed.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by kunley »

I wonder if anyone is recognizing that the fail here is in removing a human element in the support and instead relying on a far inferior technology to handle cases it can't handle.

In other words, the problem is that suddenly a machine is not only making laws but also executing them. But we as a society did not agree to hand our laws to the machine. Luckily, the area where these laws apply, is very narrow atm - it is only the fb space. But the tendency seems alarming.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by eesmith »

nabla9 wrote: post #158

Check if anyone who is competing with you has personal connections with Meta, or someone just don't like you. Meta staff have been hijacking Facebook, Insta accounts (and few dozen have been fired for doing so). It would be not surprising if some working for Meta, or their spouse or friend, is doing what you are doing and they are cutting your legs.

From the link: "I’ve been in the computer industry for a while, and have no small number of contacts. Three friends who have worked at Meta (two current, one past) offered to check into this for me." Followed by a description of their failures.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

bowsamic wrote: post #60
lbriner wrote: post #47

The whole issue around not telling you what rule you broke "because then you might work around it" is total BS. It's like a company I complained to the other day because they didn't label one of the inputs on their password reset form because "it would help a hacker know what to type in it" (it was the password reset password they expected but you wouldn't know). How much quicker would this be resolved if the first A…

It is BS, the real reason they don’t tell you is because they genuinely don’t know

Oh they know, it's just that giving you the time of day costs them money and effort. Which is weird because they were earning money off of the adverts.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by darepublic »

JacobSeated wrote: post #126

Regardless of the reason, of course not acceptable. We have to insist on complete transparency, and life-time bans should always be liftable through some sort of dialogue. It is impossible to have a productive relationship with someone that abuses AI to conduct reviews that should clearly have been done by a human. Facebook cannot be trusted. Period. Their conduct is extremely abusive. Same lack of proper review prev…

> set of if statements in their code should be enough to check for typical suspicious circumstances.

I am not defending Facebook here but come on. There is at least some nuance you should acknowledge

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by faichai »

ezoe wrote: post #196

As we improve the accuracy of automation and now the neural network, once laughed as a toy idea, does cough up something half decent, people ask "But who take a responsibility when things get wrong?" My answer is nobody. These software giants never take a responsibility of wrongful automated result for decades but we keep using it. Meta doesn't have an incentive to fix this case. It costs them manual labor of many ma…

It seems the notions of accountability and responsibility have broken down when it comes to AI. Any given AI should have clear lines of delegated responsibility from an accountable flesh and bones human. Any decision made by an AI should be marked as such and provide a channel for the decision to be reviewed by said human or a human delegate thereof should scope (in Meta’s case) be large. If it’s too much work to manage the reviews, tough shit.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by rurban »

omnibrain wrote: post #71
mongol wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah exactly. Imagine if our laws worked like that. Complete dystopia.

There is a book on that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial

Kafka is about human bureaucracy. This case is about AI bureaucracy.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by megous »

I mean who cares. Some website blocked some person from spending money on advertising on their platform. This person who already has their own website and a lot of means to propagate whatever they wish and conduct business on the Internet in many other ways.

It happens all, the, time. Also this non-sense is repetitive here, with nothing new to add, nothing technical, nothing intersting.

Just useless filler content, to induce some fake indignation towards some useless entertainment platform that will change nothing.

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