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Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

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I'm pretty sure they know what you made if you worked at a large company anyway. For small ones they can probably guess better than the job seeker can. Excluding insider info because it goes both ways.

They can guess based off ranges. They dont have a list with your name and exact salary. In fact it’s explicitly illegal for them to ask in many states so this would circumvent that law.

My line of thought is that while I can look at Glassdoor or whatever so can they. But they can also get a department to do what I'll be doing 40hrs/week. Maybe I can ask a friend at that company but there's nothing really stopping my interviewer from asking his friend at my (ex)company the same thing.

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Would be interesting to see people rough idea of YOE to Level mapping for MSFT. Everything from Level 50 through 60 looks pretty junior, like grad hires and possibly outside HCOL areas. Surprised there is so much granularity. I do also find the base to stock ratios interesting. I guess base pay caps out in FAANG the same way it does in fintech / Wall Street tech. $360k base is a lot of money obviously, but its intere…

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40 euros/hour right now. Last job was USD $98k/year. Before that it was $65k. Before that it was $42k. I was part of a team that led a salary transparency initiative at a previous job, and it eventually led to the creation of a union there, but not until after I left for unrelated reasons. I don't get this weird paranoia about salary privacy. Opening it up helped everyone negotiate.

> I don't get this weird paranoia about salary privacy. Opening it up helped everyone negotiate. To be clear Im not asking you to dox yourself. You havent proven that you aren’t paranoid though, because we have no idea who those figures belong to.

With such a low rate for an experienced frontend dev I'm not surprised he is an advocate for salary transparency. Transparency can benefit those with lower and harm those with higher than median salary.

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Actually addresses being public are causing issues. Sweden has a lot of problems with gang violence, and gang members often register their public addresses to other peoples addresses, causing innocent people to be killed. The address you enter is in no way being verified beyond it needing to be a valid address.

Do you have a link where it happened once?

Note that it is in Swedish, and one of the articles is behind a paywall.

- https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/on2Rpg/uppgifter-krimin...

- https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/kriminella-kan-skriva-sig-p...

Shootings through apartment doors is relatively common, here are a few of the incidents from 2023:

- https://www.incharts.se/en/shootings/shooting/stockholm-2023...

- https://www.incharts.se/en/shootings/shooting/malmo-2023-10-...

- https://www.incharts.se/en/shootings/shooting/jarfalla-2023-...

- https://www.incharts.se/en/shootings/shooting/botkyrka-2023-...

- https://www.incharts.se/en/shootings/shooting/stockholm-2023...

- https://www.incharts.se/en/shootings/shooting/upplands-bro-2...

- https://www.incharts.se/en/shootings/shooting/sodertalje-202...

- https://www.incharts.se/en/shootings/shooting/stockholm-2023...

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post #209

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Actually addresses being public are causing issues. Sweden has a lot of problems with gang violence, and gang members often register their public addresses to other peoples addresses, causing innocent people to be killed. The address you enter is in no way being verified beyond it needing to be a valid address.

Citation sorely needed.

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37920655

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post #145

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Why would you be entitled to know my salary, or anything else about me and my life? “I want to know” is obviously not a good enough reason.

Because that information has benefits for labor as a whole. Conversely, "I want my salary to be a secret" isn't a good reason to keep it private and I don't see any good reason why it nerds to be private. Nobody is asking for what you jack off to, because it isn't relevant for salary negotiations and it's actually something that's reasonably expected to remain private. Nobody is asking about the rest of your life. Wh…

I am not “defensive”. I am merely pointing out that you don’t have any right to know any particular details about me, including my salary, no matter how “useful” you consider it to be.

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

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Smaller companies can just report whatever they're paying each employee that year, then?

Grandparent poster asked what the disadvantages were. Some employees might not want their personal salary information revealed.

Does everyone want their salary even more trivially scraped by Experian and packaged up into a data product?

I'm sure all sorts of entities would like to know exactly what your income is.

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0.4% you say but that paper says 0.7%. However, lets be real 10% to 1% vs 10% to 0.7% still gets the same message across. But I'm still really not sure what you're trying to argue. My claim is that a X% wage increase will be followed by an This isn't even rocket science. For any product you'll spend say $10 on labor, $15 on marketing, $5 on parts for a total of $30. If your labor costs goes up to say $20 then the tot…

I don’t particularly have a claim other than you can’t use minimum wage causes inflation as an axiom because it is theoretically contentious and doesn’t hold very strongly empirically. The claim that it lags behind the wage change is empirically also not found.

> The claim that it lags behind the wage change is empirically also not found.

That's within the quote on the comment that you are responding to ... "cumulative wage-price elasticity from three months before up to three months after a minimum wage hike was estimated at about 0.07".

They found that increasing the minimum wage lead was followed by a 0.7% increase in prices 3 months later. 3 months later is "lagging".

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

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post #151

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Do you have a link where it happened once?

Note that it is in Swedish, and one of the articles is behind a paywall. - https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/on2Rpg/uppgifter-krimin... - https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/kriminella-kan-skriva-sig-p... Shootings through apartment doors is relatively common, here are a few of the incidents from 2023: - https://www.incharts.se/en/shootings/shooting/stockholm-2023... - https://www.incharts.se/en/shootings/shooting/ma…

It seems that it has indeed happened.

But I think you receive that mail by post that you have to send back when you change address right?

So I guess the people living there weren't totally extraneous?

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

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Grandparent poster asked what the disadvantages were. Some employees might not want their personal salary information revealed.

Does everyone want their salary even more trivially scraped by Experian and packaged up into a data product? I'm sure all sorts of entities would like to know exactly what your income is.

> I'm sure all sorts of entities would like to know exactly what your income is.

But it will be useless because they cannot play with it. Even now they ask you what your pay was.

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