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Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

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Sure but it would be worse. You see this all the time when the minimum wage is increased by say 10% then there is a general inflation of 1%. General inflation lags wage increases although at a reduced effect.

That’s not what the empirical evidence suggests (though it’s a big topic of study). It’s closer to 0.4% for every 10% increase and the inflation happens almost immediately. https://research.upjohn.org/up_workingpapers/260/

0.4% you say but that paper says 0.7%. However, lets be real 10% to 1% vs 10% to 0.7% still gets the same message across.

But I'm still really not sure what you're trying to argue. My claim is that a X% wage increase will be followed by an This isn't even rocket science. For any product you'll spend say $10 on labor, $15 on marketing, $5 on parts for a total of $30. If your labor costs goes up to say $20 then the total cost is $40 and one could expect the price that the 200% increase in wages lead to a 25% increase in the products price (inflation).

> In the base specification (p. 162), which included only monthly and yearly controls, the cumulative wage-price elasticity from three months before up to three months after a minimum wage hike was estimated at about 0.07, meaning that a 10 percent increase in the minimum wage is associated with a 0.7 percent increase in FAFH prices. Aaronson, French, and MacDonald (2008) used microlevel restaurant price data for the period 1995–1997, during which two changes to the federal minimum wage were implemented, to generate a wage-price elasticity of, again, about 0.07. 3 Though the empirical literature is somewhat limited outside of these two formative works (see Lemos [2008] for a review), other studies have found similar results in other countries and other cases.

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

#192

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No, you clearly should have been making more , which is the other side of the "compensation for jobs that differ should not be mandated to be the same" argument. Are you saying that "despite performing the exact same job and actually performing it objectively 'better' that they should have made the same money"? I have software engineers on my team who are literally creating twice as much business [edit to add: value]…

> I have software engineers on my team who are literally creating twice as much business per year despite being at the same level. (The actual peak to trough ratio is probably higher than that, but it's at least 2x.) Why should they be paid exactly the same or even within 5% of each other? I'm not exactly sure I would say they are performing the same duties then. Are they all responsible for generating business? I wo…

Was a missing word typo/editing error. "creating twice as much business [value] per year"

Pure software engineering type roles, no sales/sales engineering. Just simply being better at value creation via software engineering.

I'm sure you've worked with the "whizzes" and the "whiffers". People who can effortlessly create elegant, reliable systems vs people who struggle to craft limp-along systems that look and behave as if they are comprised of bailing wire and load-bearing bubble gum.

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

#193

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It would cause wage growth leading to a lower percent (but an increase) increase in other prices (housing, etc).

No? This is such a random comment I don't know how to respond to besides a "No?"

Maybe ask ChatGPT since you clearly can't Google it.

There's plenty of research on this topic [1] and it all agrees that an increase in the minimum wage is followed by an increase in costs of goods.

[1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=effect+of+minimum+wage+incre...

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

#194

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The problem with your example is that you are making the assumption that someone with 10 years of experience is less likely to make mistakes in practice than the person with 0 years of experience. I've seen several examples over my career where the technically "more experienced" individual is not truly the better suited for the job. You won't know that until you hire them and, in my opinion, is a good reason for why…

> I've seen several examples over my career where the technically "more experienced" individual is not truly the better suited for the job. You won't know that until you hire them and, in my opinion, is a good reason for why you should pay someone based on the job (so long as they qualify for it). We go through life making a lot of guesses and utilizing a lot of prior probabilities. Work history is, in my experience,…

>We go through life making a lot of guesses and utilizing a lot of prior probabilities. Work history is, in my experience, one of the stronger signals available to us.

Research continues to fail to support this. At what point is your experience a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

#195

Would be interesting to see people rough idea of YOE to Level mapping for MSFT. Everything from Level 50 through 60 looks pretty junior, like grad hires and possibly outside HCOL areas. Surprised there is so much granularity. I do also find the base to stock ratios interesting. I guess base pay caps out in FAANG the same way it does in fintech / Wall Street tech. $360k base is a lot of money obviously, but its intere…

The base pay is effectively capped because salaries are taken out of money that is taxed. That's why CEO's used to stop at $1M. (Maybe they still do.) Everything else is stock because it's "free" money for the company to give away.

This isn't true if they are restricted stock units (RSUs) which are taxed as income yearly even if you do not sell

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#196
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If an individual salary ought to be secret, why does the US insist on advertising the salary of so many people (not even just the salary range either - but the individual name = $xxxxxx) If a salary shouldn't be secret, why does the US insist on allowing some people to keep their salary secret?

> If an individual salary ought to be secret, why does the US insist on advertising the salary of so many people (not even just the salary range either - but the individual name = $xxxxxx) Where

https://govsalaries.com/fodness-pamela-a-104653297

for example

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

#197

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No? This is such a random comment I don't know how to respond to besides a "No?"

Maybe ask ChatGPT since you clearly can't Google it. There's plenty of research on this topic [1] and it all agrees that an increase in the minimum wage is followed by an increase in costs of goods. [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=effect+of+minimum+wage+incre...

Maybe you should use ChatGPT to write your comments, since the logic connection between them are so weak. Now it's about minimum wage? Perhaps revisit what this thread is about and the comment you replied to? Do you even know what minimum wage is?

I won't reply someone who just spew random words any further, sorry.

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

#198

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Maybe ask ChatGPT since you clearly can't Google it. There's plenty of research on this topic [1] and it all agrees that an increase in the minimum wage is followed by an increase in costs of goods. [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=effect+of+minimum+wage+incre...

Maybe you should use ChatGPT to write your comments, since the logic connection between them are so weak. Now it's about minimum wage? Perhaps revisit what this thread is about and the comment you replied to? Do you even know what minimum wage is? I won't reply someone who just spew random words any further, sorry.

Ah, very true "minimum wage" has nothing to do with "wage". I'll remove it from the Google search since you aren't able to.

https://www.google.com/search?q=effect+of+wage+increase+on+i...

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

#199
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At this point is there any disadvantage to legislating that all companies should share a transparency report where they list their levels + avg, min, max, median salaries for each level?

Wouldn’t all the companies then just conspire to pay everyone lower wages?

They're way ahead of you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

#200

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Grandparent poster asked what the disadvantages were. Some employees might not want their personal salary information revealed.

Even the lowest paid employees at the state and federal level already have their pay revealed, and it hasn't caused a problem yet. As far as I know, only orgs like the CIA (and similar) where their employees aren't public are hidden from public view.

That's because the state doesn't generate revenue, it isn't the state's money, and the people have a right to know how their taxes are being spent. I'm not saying that invalidates your broader point but it is an important distinction. It's by definition something completely different than a coffee shop with 15 part-time employees and one owner, or a budding new web agency with a half dozen full-time designers and coders.
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