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Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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I once committed mail fraud when I was 17 years old. I had been using the return address as a destination address on envelopes to send mail to places for free without stamps. Finally got caught one day at the local branch. Postal Inspectors said I could face 20 to 30 years in federal prison.

That's insane. 20 to 30 years in federal prison for having defrauded the post of how many letters? Imagining you've been sending couple of letters a weeks at most, that's like what? $10 per months!?

That's just the maximum they use to scare people with. Federal sentencing guidelines aren't that severe and a first time offender with something as mild as using the return address to send a few letters would plead out to a few hundred or thousand dollar fine and maybe probation, say nothing of the fact that the OP was underage.

IANAL but to get 20 years they'd have to commit a massive fraud that ended in some serious damage like costing victims million of dollars with some other mitigating circumstances.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Honest question, why are we not all just on IPV6 now? It seems like at this point almost all the underlying hardware and software should support it? It seems like the only argument for sticking with IPv4 is NAT, but I can't think of a technical reason we couldn't do NAT with IPv6?

In large part, because of ISPs. There are big costs to the transition that none of their clients care about.

Besides, NAT gives ISPs insight into their users (number of devices, services running on devices, how much traffic each service uses, etc). So you can probably do regional pricing based on that and some other things.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's insane. 20 to 30 years in federal prison for having defrauded the post of how many letters? Imagining you've been sending couple of letters a weeks at most, that's like what? $10 per months!?

That's just the maximum they use to scare people with. Federal sentencing guidelines aren't that severe and a first time offender with something as mild as using the return address to send a few letters would plead out to a few hundred or thousand dollar fine and maybe probation, say nothing of the fact that the OP was underage . IANAL but to get 20 years they'd have to commit a massive fraud that ended in some serio…

>to get 20 years they'd have to commit a massive fraud . . . with some other mitigating circumstances.

You mean aggravating circumstances.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once committed mail fraud when I was 17 years old. I had been using the return address as a destination address on envelopes to send mail to places for free without stamps. Finally got caught one day at the local branch. Postal Inspectors said I could face 20 to 30 years in federal prison.

That's insane. 20 to 30 years in federal prison for having defrauded the post of how many letters? Imagining you've been sending couple of letters a weeks at most, that's like what? $10 per months!?

Federal sentencing rules are very complex and take into account both the severity of the crime (as determined by its "offense level," of which there are 43) and the defendant's criminal history. I don't know the offense level of the particular crime mentioned in the comment, but presumably it would be fairly low, and since the defendant would have been a minor with (presumably) no federal criminal history, it's very unlikely IMO that they would have seen anywhere near that long if they were convicted. My guess is fines, probation, maybe a few months at worst, but judging by the tone of the comment, it seems like basically nothing happened and this was just a "scared straight" scenario.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Sentenci...

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Case History: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/15573090/united-states-... The delays were partially due to COVID then later he was able to get it caught up with SCOTUS review of criteria for denaturalization. But geez his backstory is wild. Iranian born, escaped with parents to Dubai. Started his business in his bedroom at 16. Bought quite a rock for his sweetie back in 2012 ( https://youtu.be/FhPiC7zC7wA ). She…

These highly produced videos are the height of ego, eclipsing most instagram personalities

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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The underlying crime was wire fraud, and it happened to be about acquiring IP addresses. He wasn’t prosecuted because he got too many, but for how he got them.

Wire fraud, wire fraud, it's nearly always wire fraud. Elizabeth Holmes, George Santos, Charlie Javice, all the people who got fake Covid funds - wire fraud, wire fraud, wire fraud. In this day and age if you're committing fraud it's pretty hard for it not to be wire fraud given how everything is transmitted digitally. And penalties for wire fraud are extremely steep (up 20 years for each charge), and it automaticall…

Sounds like I need to target wire fraud as well, with drug cultivation/sales, firearm manufacture/sale/possession (even by a felon), and tax evasion to my list of charges to jury nullify on...

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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post #168

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Story time? What makes Postal Inspectors so feared.

They are well trained, judicious and exacting in their conduct. They do not screw around and they do everything by the book. They're like what we wish regular police officers were.

I credit a lot of that to not being part of the homeland security culture: they work for the post office, their job is keeping the idea that you do NOT mess with US mail. I think a lot of the problems with cop culture come back to the idea that they’re basically soldiers separate from the community and doing such an important job that some collateral abuse just has to be expected.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Yes. Also, you do not want the Postal Inspectors showing up looking for you. Like, for real.

Yep, don't fuck with Postal Inspectors. Anecdotal, second-hand story I remembered being told by a former colleague with some significant time working in the Postal service: state or city police pulled over a contracted semi truck carrying mail from one station to the other on suspicion of running un-taxed cigarette shipments from a reservation manufacturer. Because the semi was contracted by the postal service, they…

Quite a bit more boring, but a co-worker once paid a contractor to install some blinds in his house, for a few thousand dollars. Dude took a down payment and then never delivered/installed the product, wouldn’t return their calls, etc.

My coworker went to the local police, who wouldn’t do anything, but then his lawyer advised him to go to the postal inspector (he had mailed the check to the contractor.)

The contractor ended up getting five years in federal prison for mail fraud.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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This highlights something tangential, but interesting nevertheless: Oftentimes getting embroiled in a civil lawsuit will, if impropriety is uncovered via the process of discovery, lead to separate criminal charges. The lesson here is that if you have something to hide, and it looks like you're going to be dragged into civil court (especially Federal civil court,) you should rush to settle or beg for arbitration behin…

I wish the lesson were "If something might be criminal, check first and then don't do it". Makes you wonder if anyone has started an "AI-powered legal database miner as-a-service" for rent to zealous prosecutors.

Basically everything is criminal in the eyes of the right prosecutor. Narrowly avoiding their gaze is about all you can do.
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