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Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by refurb »

candiddevmike wrote: post #2

Glyphosate is being found in US drinking water too: - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5486281/ - https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/environment/risk/... The common message is Glyphosate has a very short (ish) half life in soil. What happens when it enters the water table first?

“Found in drinking water” tells me nothing since current analytical techniques can detect compounds down to parts per trillion or better.

So you’re looking at 1 microgram in a liter of water.

Ok. But does it have any impact at levels like that? Is the impact more or less than the arsenic, mercury and other naturally occurring toxins in drinking water?

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Post by weberer »

orwin wrote: post #178
m00x wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Farms do.

No. It's a weedkiller. Putting it ON the fruits would be expensive and useless. In conventional/industrial agriculture, its used after harvest and before seeding. In intelligent agriculture , it's used a day before seeding.

Its also sprayed on crops as a desiccant shortly before harvest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_desiccation#Systemic_desi...

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Post by gniv »

segmondy wrote: post #218

Terrifying as someone who has well water. I don't use chemicals to control the weed on the lawn, but who knows what my neighbors are doing. Guess I'm going to switch to bottled water. :-/

I'm assuming you have it tested. Is the well water hard? That's apparently what makes the chemical stick around.

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Post by zwirbl »

cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #195
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto. Farmers love glyphosate because it kills weeds very effectively. It’s hard to exaggerate how much of a neat thing glyphosate was considered in the agricultural world when it appeared. That’s the reason it is used. Now, the reason it is produced and sold is that it is profitable for Monsanto, and regulation hasn’t stopped Monsanto.

Salt and vinegar can do the same. Chemically-intensive pollution and contamination of the food supply, air, soil, and water is a choice. But it's not a Hobson's choice. Go organic.

I had to look up Hobson's choice, neat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice

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Post by sph »

olyjohn wrote: post #86
sph wrote: post #60

Then we wonder why people feel so good on ultra-restrictive diets like carnivore. Animals benefit from having a chemical filtration system, called a liver, while all the vegetables and fruits claimed to be healthy are treated with all sort of nonsense that cause long term chronic disease, because we value perfect looking, plump vegetables.

Also lots of people are really susceptible to placebo. The people I see on carnivore diet who feel "so amazing" now, are the same ones who feel so amazing every time they try a new diet. If the liver is so amazing at filtering all this out of the animals we eat, when why doesn't our liver do it when we eat?

It's disingenuous to ascribe health benefits over years to placebo. Placebo works on individual experiments, not in the long-term, because it would not be placebo any more, would it?

> If the liver is so amazing at filtering all this out of the animals we eat, when why doesn't our liver do it when we eat?

That's disingenuous as well. The liver isn't made to filter chemicals that are constantly ingested over a long time, because they tend to accumulate and cause damage. Additionally, how can a human liver have evolved to filter chemicals we have invented in the past 100 years?

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Post by [deleted] »

stevenwoo wrote: post #143
nickff wrote: post #95

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I was not aware of this story, but found that there is a Wikipedia page on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood... I don't think it's quite as clear as you put it, and Bayer was by no means the worst offender in this regard. Other related scandals are linked to at the bottom of the Wikipedia page, and the Canadian Red Cross (for example) seems to have behaved even more negligently.

One would hope a company (Bayer) that arose out of history of using slave labor, medical experimentation and providing cyanide gas during the holocaust would be a little better corporate citizen than not quite as bad as the other guys.

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Post by throwaway290 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #234
cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #205

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And I would hazard a guess that this "mountain of evidence" was bought and paid-for by Monsanto.

So there's just no way to convince you then, right? Well for my part I say that all the anti glyphosate studies (not that there are many of them) are financed by competitors in the herbicide market. Just super convenient

Another alternative is that no one did any studies because there's finite amount of people and a lot of other topics to study, topics which are better financed by various conglomerates;)

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Post by cr3ative »

cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #195
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto. Farmers love glyphosate because it kills weeds very effectively. It’s hard to exaggerate how much of a neat thing glyphosate was considered in the agricultural world when it appeared. That’s the reason it is used. Now, the reason it is produced and sold is that it is profitable for Monsanto, and regulation hasn’t stopped Monsanto.

Salt and vinegar can do the same. Chemically-intensive pollution and contamination of the food supply, air, soil, and water is a choice. But it's not a Hobson's choice. Go organic.

While seasoning your weeds can be tasty and fun, it is significantly more labour intensive than Roundup. The additional hours put in to alternatives stack up quickly.

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Post by squishy47 »

adventured wrote: post #40
plussed_reader wrote: post #17

Always nice to see Monsanto making the rounds again, or whatever german multinational actually holding their rotten bag.

The Bayer Corporation owns Monsanto. The same company that gave us fluoroquinolones such as Cipro, one of the more vile groups of drugs ever mass prescribed to people. Before that they helped the Nazis perform experiments on prisoners, among other things. Their history is particularly shocking. It makes sense that such an evil corporation would want Monsanto. We're probably lucky they're not directly dumping Roundup…

and Heroin too, according to Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

mvdtnz wrote: post #71
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #46

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what do they have against clover? they sound uptight

Clover invades garden beds. It will choke out an edible garden and destroy the aesthetics of an ornamental garden. It will prevent seedlings from thriving. There is absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting clover to invade your garden beds.

I have 6 acres and deliberately seed all over with white and red clover as a cover crop. Never had a problem with it choking out anything, it's easily managed.

Crab grass and creeping charlie is the problem here. Chokes out everything else.

Maybe it's climate/region dependent, but clover is probably one of the most innocuous things growing here. Fixes nitrogen, is kind of pretty if left to flower, and attracts pollinators.

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