Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your local university extension should be able to provide this service at a reasonable cost ($100-$500, depending on what is being tested for). There are commercial water testing firms, but I do not have experience with any that I could recommend. https://www.nifa.usda.gov/about-nifa/how-we-work/extension https://www.isws.illinois.edu/health-environmental-applicati...
Instead of testing for every one-off thing that comes up, maybe just go with a small reverse osmosis system for a similar price range.
Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just searched for "remove weeds from lawn" and while they do admirably suggest manual removal methods first, the last resort measures are indeed chemical herbicides, including specifically glyphosate
that would be an insane last resort, because it would just kill the grass. you'd be better off at that point to just rototil it in and start over
Or a little round up and plant grass seed over the top. Much less CO2, and the soil and organic matter stay in place.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto. It's used because it's effective broad-spectrum herbicide. My understanding it's quite a bit less toxic than its predecessors, and I understand there's no equivalent replacement on the horizon. IIRC, the problem was they marketed it as practically non toxic to humans, which is definitely not the case.
> the problem was they marketed it as practically nontoxic to humans, Has their marketing stance changed? Or does Glyphosate continue to be marketed as a relatively safe solution? Roundup is still for sale at Home Depot, they sell massive quantities of it every day .
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
following that, the most prevalent use for GM crops is herbicide tolerance, where glyphosate is the most common herbicide targeted [1]. If you posted on Hacker News eight years ago that you thought it was a good idea for GM foods to be labeled, you'd be roundly mocked with all the data showing genetic modification is safe (as I'm sure is about to happen here anyway). That was never what the debate was about and it wa…
> Why GM is pushed so hard. Well go on, don't just eldude to it. Spell it out. My understanding is that GM is pushed so hard because while farming is the most necessary thing humans do, it's also highly undesirable labor and the pay is shit. It's also risky business, on a long enough timeline every crop fails. Consumers should grow their own food if they are worried. See how hard it is. My experience is that 99% of t…
Sounds about right[0].
> Direct on-farm employment accounted for about 2.6 million of these jobs, or 1.3 percent of U.S. employment.
Are farmers somehow not susceptible to conflicts of interest? You suggested it yourself: The work is hard enough as it is, so the last thing farmers have time for is to pressure godlike multinational corporations into investing into alternatives. Who else is supposed to complain?
[0]: https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic....
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would call causing chronic kidney disease to be toxic. It sounds like they evaluated the chemical itself but didn't evaluate what could happen to the chemical once it was in the environment.
> It sounds like they evaluated the chemical itself but didn't evaluate what could happen to the chemical once it was in the environment. I bet that's most of evaluations and it's probably not even required to take into consideration the environment and how it can change the response...
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
I supposed you could prove me wrong: Try to find a HN thread about glyphosate where no one gaslights, deflects, toxifies or baits. Any time, in the whole history of HN. One single story , where no one tries to pretend or insinuate that Roundup / glyphosate is perfectly safe, or attack people / studies / lawsuits that suggest otherwise. The only rule is that it must have at least a dozen comments - there's no need to…
If you think that people saying that glyphosate is safe are arguing in bad faith I can see why you'd think there's a lot of disingenuousness around here. I can't speak for other people but I've defended glyphosate in plenty of threads simply because I've seen no compelling evidence of any significant danger from it in general and the specific stories we're discussing are often even weaker, with the comments sections…
Some people can’t detect astroturf - that’s why it works. Consider that you may be one of them.
> I've defended glyphosate in plenty of threads
Can I see an example? Google couldn't find your name + glyphosate, or + roundup together anywhere.
> I've seen no compelling evidence of any significant danger from it in general
Respectfully, I don't have any idea who you are. I’ve seen compelling evidence. So have many judges, and respected scientists, and health groups.
> This isn't me deflecting or gaslighting.
The way you blow off the link between glyphosate and kidney disease is concerning, tbh, but let's say you’re on the level. That does nothing, absolutely nothing, to dispel the notion that a giant corporation with a long history of evil and greed might employ PR goons to spread FUD and manipulate votes to warp a narrative and protect profits.
Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
following that, the most prevalent use for GM crops is herbicide tolerance, where glyphosate is the most common herbicide targeted [1]. If you posted on Hacker News eight years ago that you thought it was a good idea for GM foods to be labeled, you'd be roundly mocked with all the data showing genetic modification is safe (as I'm sure is about to happen here anyway). That was never what the debate was about and it wa…
> Why GM is pushed so hard. Well go on, don't just eldude to it. Spell it out. My understanding is that GM is pushed so hard because while farming is the most necessary thing humans do, it's also highly undesirable labor and the pay is shit. It's also risky business, on a long enough timeline every crop fails. Consumers should grow their own food if they are worried. See how hard it is. My experience is that 99% of t…
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#208Remember when Bayer (who now owns Monsanto) intentionally sold HIV infected blood in South America? The people that own these companies would sell their own grandmother for $5. They’re poisoning the world, as science and litigation they couldn’t buy their way out of has evidenced, and we get people on here “hacktually”ing their defense. Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the problem was they marketed it as practically nontoxic to humans, Has their marketing stance changed? Or does Glyphosate continue to be marketed as a relatively safe solution? Roundup is still for sale at Home Depot, they sell massive quantities of it every day .
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/10/637722786/jury-awards-termina... >"We are sympathetic to Mr. Johnson and his family," Monsanto Vice President Scott Partridge said in a statement following the verdict. "Today's decision does not change the fact that more than 800 scientific studies and reviews ... support the fact that glyphosate does not cause cancer, and did not cause Mr. Johnson's cancer." >He confirmed the company…
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#210Then we wonder why people feel so good on ultra-restrictive diets like carnivore. Animals benefit from having a chemical filtration system, called a liver, while all the vegetables and fruits claimed to be healthy are treated with all sort of nonsense that cause long term chronic disease, because we value perfect looking, plump vegetables.
Also lots of people are really susceptible to placebo. The people I see on carnivore diet who feel "so amazing" now, are the same ones who feel so amazing every time they try a new diet. If the liver is so amazing at filtering all this out of the animals we eat, when why doesn't our liver do it when we eat?
Our livers and such do filter such things out, but we are injured before/during that filtering.
A vegetable that is coated in some preservative chemical to keep its shiny coating does not filter that chemical out. Additionally, herbicides and pesticides that are sprayed on the plots may or may not be picked up by the crops and may or may not be filtered by those crops before they get to us. Or may or may not be converted to some other chemical that isn’t the same!
It’s such a complex scenario that we cannot know whether we are dosing ourselves with health or behaviour -affecting chemicals unless we spend far, far more money on research (both wide-spread statistical research and hyper-focused chemical pathway research).
Carnivore seems like a good way to get some filtering? It’s hard though, it’s expensive, questionably healthy, and questionably unethical.