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Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Let's just take a pause and consider some key information: -This is an association study -If we CTLR+F "cause", "causing", "causal", etc, the only mention of causation is with extremely high levels of flouride and another mention with extremely high levels of glyphosate and zebrafish Now let's zoom way out, and consider the use of glyphosate in general. If you plot grain yields over time compared to herbicide use ove…

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Glyphosate is being found in US drinking water too: - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5486281/ - https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/environment/risk/... The common message is Glyphosate has a very short (ish) half life in soil. What happens when it enters the water table first?

Linked to Parkinsons and cancer. And it's still for sale next to fertilizer in the home box store so you can spray your yard and poison your family.

I'm really cagey about using chemical pesticide/herbicides but Roundup will probably still be my first choice if I have to use it. It _still_ seems less bad than any of the alternatives.

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Any recommendations for where to get water tested for uncommon contaminants?

Your local university extension should be able to provide this service at a reasonable cost ($100-$500, depending on what is being tested for). There are commercial water testing firms, but I do not have experience with any that I could recommend. https://www.nifa.usda.gov/about-nifa/how-we-work/extension https://www.isws.illinois.edu/health-environmental-applicati...

Instead of testing for every one-off thing that comes up, maybe just go with a small reverse osmosis system for a similar price range.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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The Bayer Corporation owns Monsanto. The same company that gave us fluoroquinolones such as Cipro, one of the more vile groups of drugs ever mass prescribed to people. Before that they helped the Nazis perform experiments on prisoners, among other things. Their history is particularly shocking. It makes sense that such an evil corporation would want Monsanto. We're probably lucky they're not directly dumping Roundup…

Uh, why is Cipro bad? From the wikipedia article about Cipro: "It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines. The World Health Organization classifies ciprofloxacin as critically important for human medicine. It is available as a generic medication. In 2020, it was the 132nd-most-commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than 4 million prescriptions."

FDA now advises against using fluoroquinolone antibiotics for the treatment of common infections like acute sinusitis, acute bronchitis, and urinary tract infections (UTI) without complications. The agency made this decision because the chances of serious side effects outweigh the benefits for most people.

Some people who take these medicines may develop disabling and potentially permanent side effects of the tendons, muscles, joints, nerves, and central nervous system.

About half of the patients who had serious side effects from fluoroquinolones said the side effects began after the first or second dose and included:

Long-term pain

Pain, burning, tingling, numbness, weakness

Symptoms affecting tendons, muscles, and joints, including swelling, pain, and tendon rupture

Symptoms that lasted longer than a year

Depression, anxiety , or other changes in mental health

Sensation changes or nerve damage in hands, feet, arms, or legs

Dramatic impact on quality of life such as job loss, financial problems, and increased family tension

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/fluoroquinolones-safety-r...

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Remember when Bayer (who now owns Monsanto) intentionally sold HIV infected blood in South America? The people that own these companies would sell their own grandmother for $5. They’re poisoning the world, as science and litigation they couldn’t buy their way out of has evidenced, and we get people on here “hacktually”ing their defense. Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.

Glyphosate is used because it works.

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Then we wonder why people feel so good on ultra-restrictive diets like carnivore. Animals benefit from having a chemical filtration system, called a liver, while all the vegetables and fruits claimed to be healthy are treated with all sort of nonsense that cause long term chronic disease, because we value perfect looking, plump vegetables.

Also lots of people are really susceptible to placebo. The people I see on carnivore diet who feel "so amazing" now, are the same ones who feel so amazing every time they try a new diet.

If the liver is so amazing at filtering all this out of the animals we eat, when why doesn't our liver do it when we eat?

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Remember when Bayer (who now owns Monsanto) intentionally sold HIV infected blood in South America? The people that own these companies would sell their own grandmother for $5. They’re poisoning the world, as science and litigation they couldn’t buy their way out of has evidenced, and we get people on here “hacktually”ing their defense. Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.

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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Let's just take a pause and consider some key information: -This is an association study -If we CTLR+F "cause", "causing", "causal", etc, the only mention of causation is with extremely high levels of flouride and another mention with extremely high levels of glyphosate and zebrafish Now let's zoom way out, and consider the use of glyphosate in general. If you plot grain yields over time compared to herbicide use ove…

> When you consider cost/acre and calories/acre, it is also abundantly clear that for all its flaws, modern industrial farming is a technological marvel. Modern farming seems optimized for the wrong thing all too often: cheap calories. Calories are important (for basic metabolic needs) but not the whole story. Nutrient density and sustainable practices are worth promoting.

Tell me you've never had trouble affording enough calories to survive without telling me you've never had trouble affording enough calories to survive.

"Cheap calories" are what keeps the world from starving to death, and incidentally what allows some of us to be software engineers, novelists, and YouTube "influencers", rather than 95% of us being either agricultural serfs or foot soldiers.

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Linked to Parkinsons and cancer. And it's still for sale next to fertilizer in the home box store so you can spray your yard and poison your family.

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Has anyone here tried the bespoke home-made weed-icide made with vinegar + salt + dish-soap? If yes, was it effective?

A cursory google search suggests the internet is divided on this.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Remember when Bayer (who now owns Monsanto) intentionally sold HIV infected blood in South America? The people that own these companies would sell their own grandmother for $5. They’re poisoning the world, as science and litigation they couldn’t buy their way out of has evidenced, and we get people on here “hacktually”ing their defense. Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.

> Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.

Farmers love glyphosate because it kills weeds very effectively. It’s hard to exaggerate how much of a neat thing glyphosate was considered in the agricultural world when it appeared. That’s the reason it is used. Now, the reason it is produced and sold is that it is profitable for Monsanto, and regulation hasn’t stopped Monsanto.

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