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Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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I would say using on-prem products and never updating them because of penny pinching is much bigger business risk.

What business risk does that incurr?

Other than running a highly complex web application that would no longer be receiving maintenance and security patches, of which due to its age and stack appears to be a frequent cause for concern, I'm sure not much.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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I stayed at a hotel that was having a massive cloud outage and I couldn't get my room key at check-in. That night I had dream that on-prem became the new cloud. State was beautifully synced with CRDTs. In this dream, systems never went down, the data just became temporarily stale. Then I woke up.

I stayed at a hotel that was having a power outage and they could not assign me a room because they couldn't tell which rooms were unoccupied. I guess the rooms themselves had some redundant power or was wired to a different grid. That night I had a dream about having room assignment logs sent to a printer. When the power went out there was a log to flip through so that there was a manual way to determine where everyone was staying in the hotel.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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The problem with Jira is that we don't have many alternatives at enterprise level. Maybe for smaller teams ( I had a lot of hopes for Github Issues [0] but since they announced the product on last year's Universe event, there were not many news. Maybe this November they will come back with an update. At this point, I feel Jira is like WordPress. It maybe slow and overbloated, but you can have absolutely any plugin an…

Sections of Amazon use JIRA.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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As a former Atlassian administrator, I believe the opposite. Maintaining the system on-premise was a bigger risk. The products are too complicated to be packaged nearly with a bow for sysadmins. You inevitably start having to become at Atlassian SME just to keep that shit running. I’m all for your company going with an alternative product, but for a company who would rather stick with Atlassian products, you’d be ins…

How is the product so terrible that running a 100 person instance is a pain in the ass?

Running core versions of the products aren't terrible - usually the complexity comes with the slough of plugins that folks install to customize the platform, all needing to stay up-to-date.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Not OP, but we moved to Gitlab Issues. Project Managers are missing some features, but the devs (including me) like it a lot more due to integrating so well with PRs/commits.

The problem with this though, is that commonly a requirement (ticket) does not map exactly to a single code repository. I feel that it is breaking encapsulation in a sense to be dealing with issues at the repo level. The repo and the code are implementation details of the business requirements. The tickets describing requirements belong at the next level up of abstraction?

Hi there! I lead the product teams for planning features at GitLab. Issues at the group level are in the works to meet this exact need. You can follow the work in this issue https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/8308 . As always, would love to hear from you in the issue if you have feedback about the approach or have follow up questions.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Last year I was second guessing myself if migration to Gitlab EE from Jira, Bitbucket and Jenkins would be worth it, as it was a massive shift for my org. Maybe purchasing a DC version of Atlassian products would be a better alternative, but after short look into invoices and licensing it was decided to go forward with Gitlab. Still not a big fan of how stiff Yaml pipelines feel in Gitlab CI and that tickets for what…

Plus, the cost of gitlab is getting insane. It's very hard to justify the jump, no matter how worth it is. Jira "just works" for now, and honestly it wouldn't surprise me if gitlab raises their pricing even further. (which I totally understand, they are not profitable yet and have to do a lot of work. It's just that it sucks having to be cautious about who gets access to your instance since you can't have multiple ti…

GitLab team member here. With GitLab Ultimate, users with the guest role do not consume a seat. To learn more, see https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/subscriptions/self_managed/index....

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Not OP, but we moved to Gitlab Issues. Project Managers are missing some features, but the devs (including me) like it a lot more due to integrating so well with PRs/commits.

Project Managers might just need some training. The board system in GL is very flexible and adaptable to how your org works. I was really impressed.

YAY! I work on planning features at GitLab and Gabe from my team put together this overview view if any of you want something you can share with your team for training https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmASFwSap7c . You can also find agile planning tutorials in our docs site https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/tutorials/plan_and_track.html

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Not speaking for the GP. I use MkDocs and keep my personal notes. The only weak spot for me is that I haven't fully grokked search and as my notes grow, it can be harder to find things. I alternate between figuring out how search and how to bolt on some other search utility. MkDocs includes a utility to publish to Github pages but I keep my notes on a self hosted Gitea server and serve using "python -m http".

Has anyone identified an easy/feasible way to add SSO authentication to github pages?

OTOH couldn't it be done with Cloudflare Zero Trust ?

Have the GH Pages (sub)domain proxied with CF, protect the URL with Zero Trust, for SSO itself there are several IdP available [0]. First 50 users are not billed.

[0]https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/identity/id...

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Project Managers might just need some training. The board system in GL is very flexible and adaptable to how your org works. I was really impressed.

YAY! I work on planning features at GitLab and Gabe from my team put together this overview view if any of you want something you can share with your team for training https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmASFwSap7c . You can also find agile planning tutorials in our docs site https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/tutorials/plan_and_track.html

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Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Not gonna happen unless a new server OS arrives that's significantly easier to use than Linux. The core diff between on-prem and cloud isn't where the data is hosted. It's that in one case someone else handles UNIX BS and in the other case you do. Get a MacOS-equivalent level of usability for servers in a form that isn't rent it by the hour, and you could see such a migration, but what's the incentive for anyone to b…

Curious what you see as the "UNIX BS" in running a server? Is it the need to CLI? Or just the number of knobs that you can frob? Too many choices? Interested in how such a server system might look.

Almost total absence of GUIs and proper documentation. A big part of why people pay for AWS and friends is not instant scalability or even the fancy features, but simply because clouds wrap a half-way decent GUI around high level server oriented tasks combined with an actual task focused user guide.

To compare, try comparing the docs and GUI help you get deploying a simple serverless app to Lambda+RDS vs configuring a Linux box with systemd, apache/nginx, SSL termination, postgres, borgbackup or whatever other stack you want to use. The difference is night and day. The systemd docs alone are classic Linux BS culture. UNIX sysadmin is complicated in very fundamental and deep ways for people who don't have a gray beard. I know how to do it but I don't enjoy it, and I had to recently teach a friend of mine how to do basic tasks. He's a pro software dev with years of experience incl at Google but sysadmin was never something he needed to do. Luckily now ChatGPT can help a lot with the missing usability.

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