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Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by verall »

ChatGTP wrote: post #30
RHSeeger wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new editor in Jira is drives me nuts. They replaced a perfectly good, functional markdown editor with the current POS, and it causes me problems nearly every single day.

Atlassian stuggles with editors like no other company I've seen. I don't remember the last time I had a problem with an editor except for using any Atlassian product. Not sure what the fuck they do, but they really seem to have trouble with this aspect of their products. Which is ironic because their products are essentially CRUD products with a heavy emphasis on data entry. Like, if anything out their products needs…

> I don't remember the last time I had a problem with an editor except for using any Atlassian product.

I hate jira and don't like confluence but I've had more problems in sharepoint online editor with losing serious hours of work to synchronization bugs than confluence.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by unethical_ban »

neovive wrote: post #60
HHad3 wrote: post #12

Using Atlassian cloud products is a business risk. They previously let customers sit for weeks without access to their data [1]. Cloud-hosted products do get early patches for unsecured /setup routes though [2], so there's that. At this point the decision has been made in our org to firewall their products off the internet and internal networks, and migrate to something else by 2024. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=atl…

We're in the same boat. I brought Confluence into our org almost a decade ago — it was the best collaborative wiki tool at the time. Over time the price has increased while the quality of the tool has not kept pace with other options. This seems to be the trend as software companies grow into large "enterprise" providers. Looking at our Confluence usage over the years, I noticed that we use it primarily as a knowledg…

>I brought Confluence into our org almost a decade ago — it was the best collaborative wiki tool at the time

I respectfully disagree with that assertion! I remember 2012 (okay, 11 years ago). I had just joined a new team at work, and the documentation for the team was a lot of vendor PDFs and some .txt files from the lead stored on a network drive.

The company was just implementing Confluence, but it was slow on client and server side with no HA. That is the fault of the server team, not Atlassian, but still the software was ick.

I spun up a shadow-IT Dokuwiki server that was much easier to use for a small team with text-based documentation needs. It had a naive "calendar" plugin that allowed the quick creation of pages based on date, which we used for oncall hand-off. Backup was zipping the data folder on the server.

It was probably 3 more years until our hand was forced to use the "enterprise standard" for business continuity purposes.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by hotpotamus »

firesteelrain wrote: post #69
steveBK123 wrote: post #11

Jira/Confluence are two products that have gotten markedly slower and slower over time and as they've moved into the cloud. I observe load times that remind me of the 90s sometimes using their cloud apps. Incredible they are killing on-prem, but maybe it makes it harder to compare to the slow as molasses cloud offering that way?

On prem is not being killed. They still have the data center products "To be clear, we have no plans to end of life or end of support for our Data Center offering." https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Data-Center-articles/The-...

I have less than 50 seats - they're killing it for me. But I guess one less thing for me to administer.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

Gee...what a huge surprise. /s

I suspect that many server vendors are trying to go this way.

It actually makes a lot of business sense. It can have more to do with controlling the brand, and consolidating support, than just screwing over customers.

But I got fairly sick of Atlassian's stuff, many years ago, so it isn't my monkey, and isn't my circus.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by kwanbix »

afandian wrote: post #62
john_cogs wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitLab team member here. One way to approach this would be using Epics [0], which can live at the group-level. Child epics and/or issues can then be used for more finely tuned requirements. 0 - https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/group/epics/index.html

I should point out that multi-level epics are only available at Gitlab's $99 per user per month level. We wanted to use them, but it's not worth that much. Jira is a lot more flexible and cost effective in this regard.

99 per user per month is crazy expensive IMHO.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by mschuster91 »

joshuaissac wrote: post #63

Atlassian Data Center edition will continue to be supported. It is the same software as the Server offering but with a different product key unlocking some more features like multiple nodes. It is far more expensive than Server, but still cheaper than Atlassian Cloud. And I found the per-user pricing to be about on par with alternative products from other suppliers. But for small companies, the brittleness of the lic…

> It is far more expensive than Server, but still cheaper than Atlassian Cloud.

Not if you're at <<500 users, which is the minimum tier for DC.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by josephcsible »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #86

The title is highly misleading. It appears they'll continue to sell on-premises licenses that are not perpetual and have a higher base price in the form of their Data Center offering. They're just removing perpetual licenses for small numbers of seats (low volume). It makes sense that they want to push small customers to their cloud product, supporting on-prem software is truly laborious and best saved for your large…

> It appears they'll continue to sell on-premises licenses that are not perpetual and have a higher base price in the form of their Data Center offering.

It's worse than that: it's also a reduced feature set. For example, Bamboo Server lets you use local agents but Bamboo Data Center does not.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by mardifoufs »

proxysna wrote: post #10

Last year I was second guessing myself if migration to Gitlab EE from Jira, Bitbucket and Jenkins would be worth it, as it was a massive shift for my org. Maybe purchasing a DC version of Atlassian products would be a better alternative, but after short look into invoices and licensing it was decided to go forward with Gitlab. Still not a big fan of how stiff Yaml pipelines feel in Gitlab CI and that tickets for what…

Plus, the cost of gitlab is getting insane. It's very hard to justify the jump, no matter how worth it is. Jira "just works" for now, and honestly it wouldn't surprise me if gitlab raises their pricing even further.

(which I totally understand, they are not profitable yet and have to do a lot of work. It's just that it sucks having to be cautious about who gets access to your instance since you can't have multiple tiers of users, once you use ultimate features everyone has to pay for an ultimate seat)

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by Jwarder »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #56
kwanbix wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Jira does many many things right, it is also horrible in so many ways. What options are you evaluating?

YouTrack by Jetbrains is very good

Can anyone speak about YouTrack/Space's warts? The marketing blurbs makes Space + YouTrack look like a decent replacement for Jira + Confluence + Bitbucket, but I don't recall ever hearing a developer talk about it.
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