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Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by Aeolun »

shagie wrote: post #79
preisschild wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but we moved to Gitlab Issues. Project Managers are missing some features, but the devs (including me) like it a lot more due to integrating so well with PRs/commits.

One of the challenges of Gitlab is that the pricing does not work well in organizations where a significant portion of accounts would need to be non-developer roles. With devs and a premium tier, this isn't bad... but the "ok, we need to double the user count and move from premium to ultimate, even though most people are only looking for multi-level epics and the reporter role." That represents a significant cost inc…

Github is fairly cheap, even at enterprise level.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by Aeolun »

dangus wrote: post #108
HHad3 wrote: post #12

Using Atlassian cloud products is a business risk. They previously let customers sit for weeks without access to their data [1]. Cloud-hosted products do get early patches for unsecured /setup routes though [2], so there's that. At this point the decision has been made in our org to firewall their products off the internet and internal networks, and migrate to something else by 2024. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=atl…

As a former Atlassian administrator, I believe the opposite. Maintaining the system on-premise was a bigger risk. The products are too complicated to be packaged nearly with a bow for sysadmins. You inevitably start having to become at Atlassian SME just to keep that shit running. I’m all for your company going with an alternative product, but for a company who would rather stick with Atlassian products, you’d be ins…

How is the product so terrible that running a 100 person instance is a pain in the ass?

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by hotpotamus »

firesteelrain wrote: post #114
hotpotamus wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't because it's much more expensive than my company can afford.

No disagreement there at all. Data center is pricey. I imagine if your company can afford some of the licenses on the other products to go non-Cloud such as BitBucket or Bamboo then that may be your answer. Or go completely open source

I don't think we have a clear path at the moment, but there's no appetite to move off Atlassian as processes have developed around it over the previous decade. The assumption is that eventually we'll be forced onto their cloud offerings. I assume we'll be running unsupported server versions for at least a time, but we do have them fairly well isolated at least. I have a feeling we're not unique.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by wredue »

originalvichy wrote: post #39
jaylittle wrote: post #2

One day the pendulum will swing back in the other direction. Until then, those of us who disagree with putting absolutely everything into the cloud will just have to sit back and bide our time.

Can’t say I agree. I believe the method of distributing software historically was limited due to no easy access to public computing. Now the software distributor can more easily provide the software to the customer. If ”cloud” was available in the 90s, I doubt that self hosting would have been as popular. Not saying its a wrong choice, just a matter of convenience.

Organizations will do whatever they think is cheaper.

Convenience doesn’t matter. The manager will say that SaaS costs half as much and then we get the direction to move.

When the pendulum swings to “On-Premise will cost half as much”, we will get the direction to move back.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by Aeolun »

mardifoufs wrote: post #98
proxysna wrote: post #10

Last year I was second guessing myself if migration to Gitlab EE from Jira, Bitbucket and Jenkins would be worth it, as it was a massive shift for my org. Maybe purchasing a DC version of Atlassian products would be a better alternative, but after short look into invoices and licensing it was decided to go forward with Gitlab. Still not a big fan of how stiff Yaml pipelines feel in Gitlab CI and that tickets for what…

Plus, the cost of gitlab is getting insane. It's very hard to justify the jump, no matter how worth it is. Jira "just works" for now, and honestly it wouldn't surprise me if gitlab raises their pricing even further. (which I totally understand, they are not profitable yet and have to do a lot of work. It's just that it sucks having to be cautious about who gets access to your instance since you can't have multiple ti…

Gitlab is so absurdly expensive that I’ve basically given up on ever using them.

The stupid thing is I don’t need 90% of their ultimate features, but I do want the remaining 10%.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by __d »

nvm0n2 wrote: post #117
jaylittle wrote: post #2

One day the pendulum will swing back in the other direction. Until then, those of us who disagree with putting absolutely everything into the cloud will just have to sit back and bide our time.

Not gonna happen unless a new server OS arrives that's significantly easier to use than Linux. The core diff between on-prem and cloud isn't where the data is hosted. It's that in one case someone else handles UNIX BS and in the other case you do. Get a MacOS-equivalent level of usability for servers in a form that isn't rent it by the hour, and you could see such a migration, but what's the incentive for anyone to b…

Curious what you see as the "UNIX BS" in running a server?

Is it the need to CLI? Or just the number of knobs that you can frob? Too many choices?

Interested in how such a server system might look.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

ozim wrote: post #107
HHad3 wrote: post #12

Using Atlassian cloud products is a business risk. They previously let customers sit for weeks without access to their data [1]. Cloud-hosted products do get early patches for unsecured /setup routes though [2], so there's that. At this point the decision has been made in our org to firewall their products off the internet and internal networks, and migrate to something else by 2024. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=atl…

I would say using on-prem products and never updating them because of penny pinching is much bigger business risk.

What business risk does that incurr?

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by bastardoperator »

Aeolun wrote: post #121
shagie wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the challenges of Gitlab is that the pricing does not work well in organizations where a significant portion of accounts would need to be non-developer roles. With devs and a premium tier, this isn't bad... but the "ok, we need to double the user count and move from premium to ultimate, even though most people are only looking for multi-level epics and the reporter role." That represents a significant cost inc…

Github is fairly cheap, even at enterprise level.

MSFT also does volume discounts and if you have enough spend they'll give you GitHub for free when renewing VS licenses. I'll take GH anyday over Atlassian when it comes to collaboration.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by spondylosaurus »

gwright wrote: post #115
HankB99 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not speaking for the GP. I use MkDocs and keep my personal notes. The only weak spot for me is that I haven't fully grokked search and as my notes grow, it can be harder to find things. I alternate between figuring out how search and how to bolt on some other search utility. MkDocs includes a utility to publish to Github pages but I keep my notes on a self hosted Gitea server and serve using "python -m http".

Has anyone identified an easy/feasible way to add SSO authentication to github pages?

https://www.twilio.com/blog/keep-internal-docs-secure-okta-n...

This is one, although you'll need to use Netlify instead of GitHub Pages proper.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by belthesar »

gwright wrote: post #66
neovive wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're in the same boat. I brought Confluence into our org almost a decade ago — it was the best collaborative wiki tool at the time. Over time the price has increased while the quality of the tool has not kept pace with other options. This seems to be the trend as software companies grow into large "enterprise" providers. Looking at our Confluence usage over the years, I noticed that we use it primarily as a knowledg…

Could you share what markdown/git tooling you've identified?

Obsidian is a pretty good solution for this in my experience
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