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NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by aaomidi »

constantly wrote: post #52
gotts wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not a bad time to join 3d printing industry. Much more mature than what it was even 5+ yrs ago

What’s a good use for them? I have been on the cusp of buying or building one for many years, but outside of the occasional desire to 3D print a random replacement or enhancement part for something, such as a new back for my minidisc player, which I can do via mail order 3D printing, all the examples at say Microcenter are just admittedly neat-looking but ultimately useless chintzy plastic goods.

Mail order 3D printing is just extremely expensive.

Honestly, I’ve enjoyed designing custom pieces for board games.

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Post by kotaKat »

20after4 wrote: post #47
kotaKat wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm just going to go down to Lowes and buy a couple pieces of pipe, a nail, and then go find some shotgun shells. It's time that New York bans hardware stores, obviously.

NY Legislature: "Hold my beer!"

Pretty much -- wonder when they'll try to expand this legislation to add the "good moral character" social media background checks, too.

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Post by paulirwin »

constantly wrote: post #52
gotts wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not a bad time to join 3d printing industry. Much more mature than what it was even 5+ yrs ago

What’s a good use for them? I have been on the cusp of buying or building one for many years, but outside of the occasional desire to 3D print a random replacement or enhancement part for something, such as a new back for my minidisc player, which I can do via mail order 3D printing, all the examples at say Microcenter are just admittedly neat-looking but ultimately useless chintzy plastic goods.

Gridfinity is an awesome organizational system you can print yourself, customized to your needs. I’ve also printed watch charging stands, a bottle drying stand, games, and gifts for other people. Will you save money? Probably not, but it’s fun.

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Post by doctorwho42 »

pandemicsoul wrote: post #60
gorbachev wrote: post #17

That amendment is so overly broad the author should be forced to re-take some sort of how to draft bills class. It would require fingerprinting for purchases of "certain 3D printers". What does that even mean? I guess the existing law defined what "firearm" means in the context of that law, but if I was a retailer selling 3D printers, I would have some serious questions about it. My 5-year-old entry level 3D printer…

It's so tiring to have these kinds of conversations with folks who do not understand the legislative process. There's no need to treat the legislator like an idiot. She's doing what EVERY legislator does, which is to identify a problem ("printed guns are a loophole in how we manage guns in this state") and saying she wants to find a solution to that problem. One mechanism by which legislators do that is by writing dr…

Fundamentally though, the 'problem' she sees, is it really a problem?

How many gun deaths in the past 10 years were related to 3d printed guns or gun parts? Is that number greater than 1% of gun deaths in the past year of the same area? (1% of gun deaths in 10yrs / 1% in 1 year)

If it's not, than I would surmise that this is a non-issue nor a problem. And that instead it is a older representative that needs to retire instead of proposing laws that drastically damage the fr edoms of the citizenry. To take away the democratization of manufacturing plastic parts from its citizens will irreparably damage the community this legislature feigns to serve.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

millzlane wrote: post #51
Ajay-p wrote: post #23

I should buy a 3D printer. At university I knew a man who said any time the government wanted to make something illegal to buy he felt a compulsion to buy it. I think I see what he means now.

Honestly I did the same thing with guns. All that propaganda about obama coming to take our guns had me hook, line, and sinker.

It’s definitely starting to look like some of the gun rights groups are just an advertising arm of the gun manufacturers.

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Post by jprete »

Is there any support for this bill or is it just a random NY legislator proposing a bill with no actual support or plan for getting it passed? EDIT: It looks like this bill is in committee and only has one sponsor, so I am thinking no, but one never knows.

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Post by hiatus »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #20
317070 wrote: post #6

What makes a 3D printer different from a lathe or a CNC?

ITAR is all over the lathe/CNC world - I'm an industrial/controls engineer, and have to do compliance reviews, "production of arms" forms, and "destination control statements" for the machines we build. The main difference is that cheap 3D printers are $200 and can be carried to your bedroom, instead of $200k+, requiring riggers and 3-phase power. Yes, you can buy old Bridgeports and Pacemakers on Craigslist, or chea…

Who needs a 200k+ device when there's things like ghostgunner.net, which can mill a bunch of lowers all for less than 3k?

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Post by aksss »

Euphorbium wrote: post #31
logicchains wrote: post #7

What next, they'll ban transporting 3D printers across state borders and have the cops go around knocking down doors hunting for unlicensed 3D printers? Otherwise people would just buy them interstate.

Ban stepper motors as the precursor to 3d printers. Shit, ban copper wire.

What does the ATF call that in the gun world? “Constructive possession”? You had the parts to make one, same as owning one! Felony charges.

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Post by [deleted] »

doctorwho42 wrote: post #64
pandemicsoul wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so tiring to have these kinds of conversations with folks who do not understand the legislative process. There's no need to treat the legislator like an idiot. She's doing what EVERY legislator does, which is to identify a problem ("printed guns are a loophole in how we manage guns in this state") and saying she wants to find a solution to that problem. One mechanism by which legislators do that is by writing dr…

Fundamentally though, the 'problem' she sees, is it really a problem? How many gun deaths in the past 10 years were related to 3d printed guns or gun parts? Is that number greater than 1% of gun deaths in the past year of the same area? (1% of gun deaths in 10yrs / 1% in 1 year) If it's not, than I would surmise that this is a non-issue nor a problem. And that instead it is a older representative that needs to retire…

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Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by aksss »

tinus_hn wrote: post #11
logicchains wrote: post #7

What next, they'll ban transporting 3D printers across state borders and have the cops go around knocking down doors hunting for unlicensed 3D printers? Otherwise people would just buy them interstate.

You can actually go all the way to the prohibition era and create the printer yourself, the designs are free.

Ghost printers? Time for more legislation!
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